Steeda Front Sway Bar! It is awesome. Transforms the car into what it should be.

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LOL I have bent and heat-treated my own bars in the past for weird stuff (like a 1.25” front bar/1” rear on a 1st gen Celica). Not a lot of issues with interference on those either. ??
I had Steve over at Performance Fabrication in San Carlos make a rear sway bar for me for my Escape when non were available at the time. I should have contacted you. ?
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I just ordered my sway bars. Was going to wait but I changed my mind. Now the wait to get them and to find a free weekend to get them installed. I will let others know if the suggestion from Steeda of clocking the endlinks works. If not, there is always the option of grinding or cutting.
 

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I had Steve over at Performance Fabrication in San Carlos make a rear sway bar for me for my Escape when non were available at the time. I should have contacted you. ?
LOL it’s not something I enjoy doing but I wanted more rate against roll but a more compliant spring rate. It’s stupid expensive too. ??
 

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Hi Ken, Steeda has quite a few employees and departments. I've talked to them many times over the years regarding their parts and install. I have been very happy with everything I have purchased from them. Since you are talking to someone in particular (Rod? Tim?) why don't you ask them who we should be contacting or emailing with these rubbing issues. That way, all of us on here will message the same person and they won't get lost in the shuffle. I have no problem sending them photos or even the post here on this thread that has my description of the problem and my photos. I know Steve, Mike and others have had the same issue. Installing a sway bar is not rocket science. You really cannot screw it up. I've installed maybe 25 bars in my life, maybe more and this one is no different. I know Steve has probably done the same.
I contacted Rod and asked for a point person for people to e mail, awaiting a response
 

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I just ordered my sway bars. Was going to wait but I changed my mind. Now the wait to get them and to find a free weekend to get them installed. I will let others know if the suggestion from Steeda of clocking the endlinks works. If not, there is always the option of grinding or cutting.
If my bars were not already in my car I would grind or cut before installing. We have a number of GT-PEs that have this interference issue, so I assume it’s a design challenge. ?‍♂?

Hell, if you want to drive up to my place I’ll grind your front bar and repaint the tips for you. I still need to grind a touch more off of the inboard sides of mine this weekend. Much easier to grind out of the car than once they’ve been installed. ??
 


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Tim indicated that no modification will be done to the future sway bars but the instructions will be updated to say something like: "The end links need to be clocked differently than stock to allow for proper clearance." I have not researched the installation and I personally cannot comment on this as a proper solution.
Since the end links are not the point of interference and the ends of the anti-sway bar are, changing the end link clocking will have no effect on the interference. ?‍♂?
 

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Here is the response from Rod regarding people sending in their comments and pictures.

Any recommendations on how to proceed. Maybe those with direct contact can chime in.

"They should reply to their order confirmations, but here is what my team found out about this issue today and it has to do with the location of the sway bar brackets on the subframe.
See the text below.

We just got under our Mach E up here. Turned the wheel from LOCK TO LOCK checking clearances. The only thing we can come up with this the following….

With the wheel at full lock, it does come close to the tie rod end, but ours is still ¼ to 3/8” from it. The swaybar mount brackets are slotted. The customer should look to loosen those, and move the bar forward to prevent any interference at lock. But not push it too far forward where it comes close to the coolant pump. See below…."

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Here is the response from Rod regarding people sending in their comments and pictures.

Any recommendations on how to proceed. Maybe those with direct contact can chime in.

"They should reply to their order confirmations, but here is what my team found out about this issue today and it has to do with the location of the sway bar brackets on the subframe.
See the text below.

We just got under our Mach E up here. Turned the wheel from LOCK TO LOCK checking clearances. The only thing we can come up with this the following….

With the wheel at full lock, it does come close to the tie rod end, but ours is still ¼ to 3/8” from it. The swaybar mount brackets are slotted. The customer should look to loosen those, and move the bar forward to prevent any interference at lock. But not push it too far forward where it comes close to the coolant pump. See below…."

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That does not work for me. My brackets are pushed all the way forward from day one. 1000+ miles later I have rubbing and I'm not the only one that the bar is as forward as possible with rubbing. Anton got a message from Steeda to mount the bar ALL THE WAY TO THE REAR to avoid hitting the pump connections. That will definitely contact the tie rods in that position. There is only about 1/2" of play you can move that mounting bracket. Not like it does all that much either way for either issue. For his non-GT, bending the pump bracket slightly to miss the bar and taking off the last hole at the end of the bar will allow plenty of clearance for both issues. That is what we will be doing this Friday.
 

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I’m still vacillating as to whether I am going to just grind some more (since I have already ground so much off and I only need a bit more removed) or cut the last hole off. ?? Probably less time involved in grinding at this point. We’re my bar not already ground, cutting would be the mode of choice. ?‍♂?

Just FWIW, my frame brackets are slid *almost* all the way forward. They moved a little when I was tightening. ??
 

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Ford Mustang Mach-E Steeda Front Sway Bar! It is awesome. Transforms the car into what it should be. Screen Shot 2022-09-27 at 12.03.56 PM

On my browser your poodle is on the next line & for a second I was afraid you'd forgotten it! ???
 

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With the wheel at full lock, it does come close to the tie rod end, but ours is still ¼ to 3/8” from it. The swaybar mount brackets are slotted. The customer should look to loosen those, and move the bar forward to prevent any interference at lock. But not push it too far forward where it comes close to the coolant pump. See below…."
Only checking the static clearance isn't good enough. When driving the vehicle the springs could compress due to roll or bumps and close that gap. That's probably what's happening.

I don't think the required clearance is going to be gained just by shifting the bar forwards or backwards with the adjustment in the bushing brackets. Seems like the only way is to cut off the ends so you have more like 3/4" of clearance at full lock to allow for suspension travel.

Personally I wouldn't install this until the ends are cut off or modified. Steeda seems to be avoiding a redesign here as much as possible to save retooling costs, but I think it's necessary.
 

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Only checking the static clearance isn't good enough. When driving the vehicle the springs could compress due to roll or bumps and close that gap. That's probably what's happening.

I don't think the required clearance is going to be gained just by shifting the bar forwards or backwards with the adjustment in the bushing brackets. Seems like the only way is to cut off the ends so you have more like 3/4" of clearance at full lock to allow for suspension travel.

Personally I wouldn't install this until the ends are cut off or modified. Steeda seems to be avoiding a redesign here as much as possible to save retooling costs, but I think it's necessary.
Correct, Lee that there are dynamics involved. Mine has a tiny amount of clearance when static. I got some contact backing out of my driveway at an angle when the suspension either compressed or extended (pretty sure it was under compression, but it cycles both ways). Even though my contact is now very minor, I am probably getting the sawzall out to lop the last hole off just to ensure I have clearance. Either that or I am grinding another 1/4”-1/2” off the ends. ?‍♂?
 

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Just curious, can all of this rubbing of the tie rods damage the tie rods? I don't think I've seen that mentioned.
 

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Just curious, can all of this rubbing of the tie rods damage the tie rods? I don't think I've seen that mentioned.
Eventually, it will damage the tie rod end. If the bar was unmodified and the steering was shoved hard all the way to lock, I can see damage resulting in the form of a bend. ??
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