Using your Mach-e to Power electric devices for 'Glamping' or Home Emergency Battery Backup

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It has its perks.

My end goal is to implement something that gives an OEM+ look - trying to make it look as factory-included as possible.
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I plan on putting a cutoff switch on mine wand mount the inverter on the back of the frunk. Should be good enough.

To bad Ford did not offer a $1000 inverter option and give the car a "hurricane mode". Would be pretty sweet.

Ampper Battery Switch, 12-48 V Battery Power Cut Master Switch Disconnect Isolator for Car, Vehicle, RV and Boat (On/Off) https://a.co/d/f0ux0Lo
 
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I plan on putting a cutoff switch on mine wand mount the inverter on the back of the frunk. Should be good enough.

To bad Ford did not offer a $1000 inverter option and give the car a "hurricane mode". Would be pretty sweet.

Ampper Battery Switch, 12-48 V Battery Power Cut Master Switch Disconnect Isolator for Car, Vehicle, RV and Boat (On/Off) https://a.co/d/f0ux0Lo

instead of a switch, you might consider a breaker for added protection:
https://www.amazon.com/Erayco-Circuit-Trolling-12V-48VDC-Waterproof/dp/B08JQBR7ZG/ref=sr_1_1_sspa
 

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This is a great thread. I never considered using the MME as a 120 volt power supply. I probably not going to do it, but I do like options. I will have to bookmark this thread.

There may be another thread on the forum about this same topic. I thought I recall seeing someone also working to connect an inverter.

@dtbaker61 For the novices like me, would you be willing to post the design, model and part numbers and where you bought them? Allows me and others to review and perhaps emulate your design.


My auto shop teacher loved and collected Tigers and Alpines. I remember friends who used to cook with their cars. Made me laugh at the memories. In fact, there are a few cookbooks out there, maybe still in print, about how to cook with your car.
 
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@dtbaker61 For the novices like me, would you be willing to post the design, model and part numbers and where you bought them? Allows me and others to review and perhaps emulate your design.
hhhmmmm..... well since fabricating these little portable power packs and selling locally is part of what I am doing for a living, I'd like to actually make a living doing it. ;) I am willing to put together detailed design docs, shopping lists, even video tutorials.... but not for free.

What do you think would be a 'fair' price for a nicely documented instruction manual? including shopping list/source for all materials, dimensions, and step-by-step fabrication instructions. delivered electronically as a nice .pdf document ?
$10 ?
$15 ?
$20 ?
 


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hhhmmmm..... well since fabricating these little portable power packs and selling locally is part of what I am doing for a living, I'd like to actually make a living doing it. ;) I am willing to put together detailed design docs, shopping lists, even video tutorials.... but not for free.

What do you think would be a 'fair' price for a nicely documented instruction manual? including shopping list/source for all materials, dimensions, and step-by-step fabrication instructions. delivered electronically as a nice .pdf document ?
$10 ?
$15 ?
$20 ?
$0. It's a community forum for members to collaborate with one-another. I can understand you selling fabricated parts and components, but a PDF document telling someone what to buy and how to install? Not for me, personally.
 

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hhhmmmm..... well since fabricating these little portable power packs and selling locally is part of what I am doing for a living, I'd like to actually make a living doing it. ;) I am willing to put together detailed design docs, shopping lists, even video tutorials.... but not for free.

What do you think would be a 'fair' price for a nicely documented instruction manual? including shopping list/source for all materials, dimensions, and step-by-step fabrication instructions. delivered electronically as a nice .pdf document ?
$10 ?
$15 ?
$20 ?
How much are you selling the portable power packs for?
 

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hhhmmmm..... well since fabricating these little portable power packs and selling locally is part of what I am doing for a living, I'd like to actually make a living doing it. ;) I am willing to put together detailed design docs, shopping lists, even video tutorials.... but not for free.

What do you think would be a 'fair' price for a nicely documented instruction manual? including shopping list/source for all materials, dimensions, and step-by-step fabrication instructions. delivered electronically as a nice .pdf document ?
$10 ?
$15 ?
$20 ?
@dtbaker61 My sincerest apologies, I must have missed that you did that for a living and thought this was DIY project you were sharing. I would have NEVER asked for something for free had I know that you make money doing this. I support and agree that you should charge people for your labors and effort. I think $20 is a fair price to get a "how too" in PDF format.
 
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$0. It's a community forum for members to collaborate with one-another. I can understand you selling fabricated parts and components, but a PDF document telling someone what to buy and how to install? Not for me, personally.
My point is that I have posted the idea and possibilities for free on this forum as an example to share for free.

If I spend hours documenting in detail step by step for others to follow exactly, I think I'd deserve compensation for my time that I would not otherwise need to spend, and saving individuals the time they would otherwise spend starting from scratch.

Sorry you don't feel like that has any value.

I've contributed several DIY mods here on the forum, for free, but I'm not about to spend tons of time on documentation without compensation.
 
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@dtbaker61 My sincerest apologies, I must have missed that you did that for a living and thought this was DIY project you were sharing. I would have NEVER asked for something for free had I know that you make money doing this. I support and agree that you should charge people for your labors and effort. I think $20 is a fair price to get a "how too" in PDF format.
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I am thrilled to share ideas, and contribute ideas and examples....

and even better if I can monetize my knowledge by detailing the projects in a step by step format since I can't exactly fabricate and ship hundreds of items from my garage shop. The shipping cost would be a lot less reasonable for everybody, and selling complete items in high volume is outside the scope of my little one-man LLC.
 

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no offense taken.
I am thrilled to share ideas, and contribute ideas and examples....

and even better if I can monetize my knowledge by detailing the projects in a step by step format since I can't exactly fabricate and ship hundreds of items from my garage shop. The shipping cost would be a lot less reasonable for everybody, and selling complete items in high volume is outside the scope of my little one-man LLC.
There are a lot of DIY people on this forum so I can understand why many would prefer to figure it out without paying someone for help. But I think it is really cool that you can earn a living doing what you love and helping others get something they never would have been able to get without you. Keep it up!
 

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I used to have a '66 Sunbeam Tiger.... headers, big cam, dual point ignition, etc.... damn thing ran HOT, but in the old days the top of the motor was uncluttered, and you could fit a good sized baking dish right on top between the carburator the radiator expansion tank such that it wouldn't slide around even while driving 'hard' thru the mountains. The club had a great recipe book and timed tours to cook various dishes; and we'd all meet and potluck wonderful hot meals from under the hood... without a Frunk.

This of course is leading up to what we can cook (or refrigerate) with our Mach-e with the lovely big batteries on board.....

Turns out that if you disable your 'auto-off' setting, and leave the MME 'on', you can extract about 1500 watts of power from the LV (12v) connection points which is backed up by your large main (HV) battery. Plenty to run a little refrigerator, teapot, or even an inductive cook-top. Perfect for 'flameless' camp cooking as well as running lights, CPAP machines, recharging cordless tools at job sites, etc.

Or.... running critical electric appliances like your refrigerator, computer, phones and little loads like that at home in Emergency situations....

The basic steps/components needed are:

- gain access to your LV connection points... easy with a 1-7/8" hole saw, or removing the 'beauty covers'.​
- 1500 watt pure sine inverter, buffer battery, charge controller, cables.... and it's possible to package everything into a carry-on bag for truly portable power!​

There are commercial power packs available, but they cost significantly more for less battery capacity and probably less power. If you shop for portable power packs, make sure the inverter is 'pure sine', and 1500watts. I have found that there are several brands of Lithium battery you can get for under $400 for a full 100ah capacity yeilding about 1 kWhr of useful energy. The battery can be charged with an inexpensive charge controller via a little solar panel, or direct from a running vehicle.

I thought I'd post a couple pix just to give people ideas.... and if you want plans or a few pre-fab parts/cables to help you build you own, we can work something out for an instruction book or video or something....

ex 01 Mach-e fits in Frunk.jpg


ex 03 Mach-e Frunk cooktop.jpg


ex 04 Mach-e teapot setup.jpg


ex Mach-e charging.jpg


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Maybe I’m asking a too basic question:
Could I power a 12v refrigerator using the cigarette lighter all night (as long as the car is on)

also, doesn’t the car use a bunch of juice when on (powering electronics)? It’s not a big concern of mine, unless the resting state of all of that is for example 1000W. That’s just not efficient.
 
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Maybe I’m asking a too basic question:
Could I power a 12v refrigerator using the cigarette lighter all night (as long as the car is on)
as long as the refrigerator power requirements (watts when running) are less than what the built-in power ports can support.... sure.

also, doesn’t the car use a bunch of juice when on (powering electronics)? It’s not a big concern of mine, unless the resting state of all of that is for example 1000W. That’s just not efficient.
resting state electronics with car on seem to hover around 200watts. So continuous load for export should be kept below 1200w. I'd expect peak loads a little higher would be ok for brief periods with a 'buffer battery' in the mix.
 
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There are a lot of DIY people on this forum so I can understand why many would prefer to figure it out without paying someone for help. But I think it is really cool that you can earn a living doing what you love and helping others get something they never would have been able to get without you. Keep it up!

I absolutely will continue putting my DIY mods up to the Forum. I love coming up with solutions to what I consider important, and I love contributing.... as long as people don't expect shopping lists and step-by-step tutorials for free.

The concept of using our BEVs for home backup is going to be crucial to help make the Grid more resilient, help in natural disasters, and ease getting thru possible planned rolling brownouts. Exactly how you do it is up to you, I'm just showing ya'll ONE way to get it done...
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