Tesla owners and CCS chargers.... They are invading.... and Rude!

[Blue highway]

Well, when I bought it, I was assured that they would install a 220 outlet in my place.... turns out the panel wouldn't handle it nicely.. 50 yo wiring will do that. Sure I can charge on 110, but damn that takes forever. Also there are many city dwellers who don't have the ability to charge at home. If you want electric cars on the road, you have to build the infrastructure.

if your car is home overnight, say 12-14 hours average daily, 110 works for 90% of drivers... Even those with poor house wiring Get home... plug it in... on the occasion you are back to back driving more than your charge, then top off at a fast charger... this is way better than 100% using public charging.

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[tfitzgex]

if your car is home overnight, say 12-14 hours average daily, 110 works for 90% of drivers... Even those with poor house wiring Get home... plug it in... on the occasion you are back to back driving more than your charge, then top off at a fast charger... this is way better than 100% using public charging.

yeah... 110 charges 3 miles per hour, my commute is 63 miles. Plus I have to run an extension cable out of my upstairs bedroom to power my evse, and because it doesn't lock, I have to worry about tweakers stealing it.

 

[Mach-Lee]

I am fortunate to live in the Portland metro (not Portland proper, ewww) Our local power company Portland General Electric has partnered with Shell to bring us 'Electric Avenue' a subscription based charging network that as 5 charge centers around the area. The advantage to this is it is just 25 dollars a month all-you-can-charge. While it is only 50KW, it is fast enough for me. I can't charge at home because I live in an older townhouse and the current panel won't hand a 220 circuit.
We have always had one or two Teslas who would pop up with the CHADeMO to tesla adapters, to charge, but it would be very infrequently. However... Now that Uber is renting out Tesla Model 3s, the CCS car owners have had to deal with new Tesla taking up the level 2 chargers overnight (they do say 2 hour limit on every station, but it isn't enforced) Now there is a relatively cheap CCS to Tesla adapter (it's like 200) I pull up last night and bam, 2 out of 4 chargers are taken up by clone army (white model 3s) They come in at 3 or 4 percent, plug in and go shopping, come back and sit in the cars for at least another hour or two.
I feel if more of them know about this adapter or Tesla starts to sell one, we are going to be squeezed out of the charging stations, Tesla is by far the most prevalent electric car in Oregon, Tesla keeps raising their charge rates due to electricity pricing.

When I told my model X owning friend of the upcoming change to the Tesla supercharger network to allow non-teslas he was almost incensed. He stated that they were already overcrowded and should allow the non-teslas to charge there.

-End Rant.

I think installing a low amperage 240V charger at home is probably going to be the solution for you. Adding a 20A or 30A breaker probably won’t overload anything and would still be much faster than 120V.

 

[Billyk24]

If gas stations were smart, they'd find a way to start installing chargers. Especially the big chain ones that have convenience stores attached to them like Circle K, Wawa, Sheets, etc. This way, they're ahead of the curve.

Many stores want to but the demand charges by the utility companies make it not financially possible. Heard one owner state "1000 a month extra just for the demand charge for just one charger".

 

[Garbone]

aken up by clone army (white model 3s)
-End Rant.

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The $25 a month sounds like a pretty good deal..

 

[Blue highway]

yeah... 110 charges 3 miles per hour, my commute is 63 miles. Plus I have to run an extension cable out of my upstairs bedroom to power my evse, and because it doesn't lock, I have to worry about tweakers stealing it.

3mph x 14 hours x 5 days adds ~200 miles a week.
63 miles x 5 burns ~300 miles a week.

charge a little longer on the weekends or fast charge once a week or less and 110 can work....

If you are parking outside, 220 is the same theft problem.

 

[MellowJohnny]

Time for captain contrarian!

Captain Contrarian here... I'd like to point out that there are a couple of problems here - the first is un metered charging... fixed fee all you want charging is a terrible idea because the charge station count is small and the time you need to charge is long, it encourages binging. A small number of people make a larger number of people miserable. Charging should always be by KW delivered plus outrageously high idle time fees.... duh....

The second problem is buying an EV and expecting to rely on public charging... this will be increasingly miserable as EV's vastly out strip public charging stations... sorry.

Captain contrarian out!...

100% agree - the wee little town by the lake I live in with its 42 ChargePoint L2 chargers will indeed start to ding you $5 per hour after three hours. Vehicle must also *still be charging* to be parked in the spot, or face a $125 ticket. Which they absolutely love to hand out. The Town designates these as "parking spaces" so Parking Enforcement is all over it.

Per the Town: "Standard combustion vehicles and electric vehicles that are not plugged in can be ticketed with a penalty of $125 for parking at the EV charging station parking spaces."

 

[theo1000]

Enough with the Tesla hate, these are folks driving an EV who need a charge, if their behavior is rude then so be it, let them know, PERIOD! End of Rant!

Well without choosing to yell and rant. The OP does have a point. Case of ‘What’s mine is mine, What’s yours we will share’. Personally have had similar issues here in the MW where often times we only have 2 CCS DCFC chargers, often 125kw shared and they are way cheaper than the TSLA units so get hogged. Not just that the silly TSLA CCS dongle is code limited to ~ 50 kw and will be forever. Most CCS cars charge way faster than this which is also causing problems.

For instance almost all EV manufacturers have paid into the pool for access to the EA system. On chargepoint most of the EV manufacturers are working to expand the network and paying fees.

Where is TSLA in all this, bupkiss. CCS is the USA standard and will be a overwhelming majority of charge stations. right now TSLA is doing/paying zero to expand it. Should be pointed out.

 

[agoldman]

The Title of this and every other thread like this should just be "Every Man (or woman) For Themselves" . . . or, (Rude is the new Normal) But as far as Tesla's, once they open up the supercharger bnetwork to all EV's, then the shoe will be on the other foot so to speak..

 

[Vulnox]

I agree that I don't see it as a Tesla problem. The owners didn't buy the car because of its charge connector, and if they get an adapter that expands usage that is no different than most of us that are excited for the SuperCharger network opening to CCS in the future.

If the owners are jerks, they would be jerks in any EV as others said. When I watch EV news following YouTube videos, every one of them has stories of the Mach-E or iD.4 owner charging at the only 350 cabinet despite the 150s being open. Or even with the higher charge limit cars, they pull in at 60% SoC and hook up to the 350 because they were told their car can do 250, even though above 60% it won't do more than 130 and they are going to be just as good at the 150. One of the reviewers said he tried to explain it to the guy, who just told him he was wrong, as the EA station sat at 120kW or less for his 60-80% charge.

EVs are still a bit of a wild west. There will be people that make innocent mistakes, people that think they know better but are wrong, and then people that are intentionally selfish about their charging behavior.

It's not really any different than someone that pulls into a busy gas station, parks at the last open fuel pump station, then goes inside to buy stuff for 10 minutes before coming out to pump gas. These people will have EVs soon too. The nice thing about gas stations is for most of the US you can close your eyes spin around, point in a direction, go that direction, and within a few miles run into another gas station and life goes on. So the answer here is more stations. This electric company had some grand plan for this charging subscription service, but you do that when you have a charging mega station with 100 chargers. Not when you have a handful in a parking lot.

Like this charging park in Europe:
https://www.renewableenergymagazine...s-largest-charging-park-for-electric-20201008

That is what you need if you are going to have a monthly 50kW charging subscription for a populous area.

 

[tfitzgex]

EV’S are here to stay so my suggestion would be to make the investment and upgrade your electric service. I only charge at home and there are not many EV’S local but I know I would likewise be irritated in your situation. Only control you have though is to your residence.

As I said, I live in a townhouse. can't upgrade because I don't own it.

 

[ElectrifyME]

If gas stations were smart, they'd find a way to start installing chargers. Especially the big chain ones that have convenience stores attached to them like Circle K, Wawa, Sheets, etc. This way, they're ahead of the curve.

Thought I saw a recent story of chevron/Texaco doing it with some company I had never heard of. We all know where to fuel, so put chargers at gas stations!! I agree with you. Makes me so apprehensive to buy an EV I will be debating this until the very last second before I pick up a car.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

Idle fees for time beyond 2 hours. Problem resolved.

 

[AKgrampy]

As I said, I live in a townhouse. can't upgrade because I don't own it.

Sorry, your comment stated you bought it which I assumed meant you own it.

 

[21st Century Pony]

IMHO the behavioral change will happen (not overnight but effectively enough) when U.S. gasoline prices hit European gas prices, or higher... and STAY there. This will force a mass adoption of EV cars, and this in turn will rapidly build out all appropriate social governance mechanisms, including town / county parking enforcement for EV blocking.

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