Tesla to open ~20% of U.S. Superchargers to all EVs by end of 2024

[RickMachE]

Based on what, personal antidotal evidence, sorry, that's just a personal prejudice, like they say, feelings aren't facts. Often times we get what we give, I personally know many many Tesla owners who are some of the best people you want to meet, but, hey, thats just me.

I have driven by Tesla Superchargers and seen numerous Tesla vehicles parked, but not plugged in.

I have visited EA charging locations where Tesla owners are parked, but not plugged in.

I haven't seen any non-Tesla EVs parked at a Telsa Supercharger location and not plugged in.

And, we've all seen Tesla's charging at CCS locations because the rate is lower. That is of course their right.

And yes, I think the stereotype fits for a large number of Tesla owners.

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[nvabill]

I have driven by Tesla Superchargers and seen numerous Tesla vehicles parked, but not plugged in.

I have visited EA charging locations where Tesla owners are parked, but not plugged in.

I haven't seen any non-Tesla EVs parked at a Telsa Supercharger location and not plugged in.

And, we've all seen Tesla's charging at CCS locations because the rate is lower. That is of course their right.

And yes, I think the stereotype fits for a large number of Tesla owners.

Maybe so, like I said it will be interesting to see where charging is as a whole once this move happens. A lot can happen between now and 2024, should be a lot more chargers of all types by then.

 

[SWO]

And there it is, the negative ragging on Tesla owners right off the bat before even giving something a chance to see if it works. By having that attitude you are actually perpetuating an attitude about something that may or not come to fruition as you describe.

It's the 90% who give the rest a bad name....

They're going to particularly hate MachEs since they will take up 2 spots due to charge port location.

 

[RickMachE]

It's the 90% who give the rest a bad name....

They're going to particularly hate MachEs since they will take up 2 spots due to charge port location.

I think making an assumption that the government won't require Tesla to put long enough cords, or position chargers appropriately for non-Tesla vehicles is simply silly.

 

[dbsb3233]

Maybe so, like I said it will be interesting to see where charging is as a whole once this move happens. A lot can happen between now and 2024, should be a lot more chargers of all types by then.

I could see some intentional pettiness from drivers upset that "their" network can now be used by "outsiders", but I don't expect that will be very prevalent.

However, it's also possible the CCS-capable chargers could be more popular for other (legit) reasons. Depends on how they plan to handle the port location issue. The two logical solutions are longer cables, or a more open layout that allows the car to pull up from either side. If they do that, that's gonna naturally draw Tesla drivers to those as well just because that's easier.

 

[RickMachE]

It would be great if the government required Tesla to prevent Telsa's from using the CCS cords.

 

[nvabill]

I have a really novel idea, why don't they just build more chargers nationwide instead of worrying about sucking the tits of Tesla? ? Yeah, that's the ticket, put in enough chargers so the whole Tesla charger debacle is a non issue, yeah, that might work!

 

[Guss-E 2021]

And there it is, the negative ragging on Tesla owners right off the bat before even giving something a chance to see if it works. By having that attitude you are actually perpetuating an attitude about something that may or not come to fruition as you describe.

The Tesla owners in my office are neither pretentious nor entitled. That's me bragging about having Android Auto ?

 

[SWO]

I think making an assumption that the government won't require Tesla to put long enough cords, or position chargers appropriately for non-Tesla vehicles is simply silly.

1. They didn't do anything different in Europe.
2. I'm not aware of anything in the bill requiring them to make the cables longer.
3. I think there's an issue with cooling (or lack thereof) which limits Tesla Supercharger cable length. That's why everyone comments that their cables are more wieldy.

I think they install the magic docks at the Supercharger pull-thru sites. These also happen to often get taken first by tesla owners since you don't have to back in.

 

[Stang68]

I know there's a lot of heeing and hawing about this, but I see it as a good thing. Sure we may not rely solely on the Tesla Supercharging network, sure Tesla owners may use the "magic dock" first, but at the end of the day, if you need a charge and the only option is a Tesla Supercharger, aren't you happy it's actually available to use?

More options is better.

 

[silverelan]

So 2 at each Supercharger location? Wow good luck using one of those.

The White House statement specifically says that Tesla is opening up stations along travel corridors. These rural stations are largely underutilized with only light traffic so don’t be surprised if it’s half or all of the stalls are CCS compatible.

 

[babgvant]

This is great news. The inclusion of L2 in the mix seems unnecessary, that's already a fixable thing. But maybe that's because we're early adopters, and have early adopter solutions in the frunk .

 

[RickMachE]

1. They didn't do anything different in Europe.
2. I'm not aware of anything in the bill requiring them to make the cables longer.
3. I think there's an issue with cooling (or lack thereof) which limits Tesla Supercharger cable length. That's why everyone comments that their cables are more wieldy.

I think they install the magic docks at the Supercharger pull-thru sites. These also happen to often get taken first by tesla owners since you don't have to back in.

This is not Europe.

The government is well aware of Elon's predisposition to not do what he says.

I'm sure that every single tiny requirement will have to be met. The minimum standards were in fact released moments ago:

https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/environment/nevi/resources/ev_charging_min_std_rule_fr.pdf

 

[eleven24]

In other words, Elon was told that in order to get the Federal money he needed to open a minimum of 20% of the Supercharger network to all EV's. Being a current Model Y owner (waiting to trade in for a MME I have on order) here's a little known fact that now everyone must adhere by:

In order to keep charging one must talk about Elon while plugged in, or he'll change the "algorithm" to reduce your charging curve.

 

[timbop]

20% of chargers when the average station has 10

20% of the total number of chargers. That could be 20% at each location, or 20% of locations having 100% of their chargers with the CCS connector. More than likely it will be a mix of both cases.

Based on what, personal antidotal evidence, sorry, that's just a personal prejudice, like they say, feelings aren't facts. Often times we get what we give, I personally know many many Tesla owners who are some of the best people you want to meet, but, hey, thats just me.

I have personally been charging at the EA at the walmart in somerdale NJ and watched a model 3 pull in front of an EA charger and the driver start to walk into the walmart with his girlfriend. I told the driver (complete with a tight fitting Tesla t-shirt) it wasn't a parking space at which point he said "oh, i'll plug in when I get back". The fact that I knew he couldn't plug in (this was before the Tesla CCS adapter) led him to a different tactic of telling me I have to say "please" in order for him to move his car.

On my trip to Florida we went to the georgia aquarium which has 12 L2 chargers. Of the 12 spaces 5 of them had Teslas in front of them, and only 1 of them was plugged in.

You can try to pretend that it doesn't happen, but it does.

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