Tesla to open ~20% of U.S. Superchargers to all EVs by end of 2024

[dmastro]

I saw an MME plugged in but not charging for several hours yesterday. By extrapolating, I've determined that all MME owners hog chargers while not using them, and should therefore be banned from public chargers.

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[Deleted member 16048]

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" I also find it interesting that Teslas are already using CCS converters at Supercharger stations where both are available. "

As in, Teslas are using their CCS adapters at a supercharger station on a non-tesla charger when they don't need to. Instead of calling people wrong, seek to understand first. It helps when you can look at things from other angles.

I understand your point, but I do not believe from he context of his post, it is what you're taking it to mean.

 

[timbop]

Q: Please illustrate an example of the "straw man" fallacy

A:

I saw an MME plugged in but not charging for several hours yesterday. By extrapolating, I've determined that all MME owners hog chargers while not using them, and should therefore be banned from public chargers.

*** edited for correctness. I hate when I misremember my logic terms ***

 

[Toreus]

In fact this is not correct, there isn't a single CCS converter / cord at any Tesla SuperCharger in the US working at this time.

I think you misunderstood me, by “where both are available” I meant that there are CCS stalls from a non-Tesla company in the same area with supercharger stalls, not that the supercharger actually had a CCS converter. Sorry for any confusion!

 

[SWO]

Except if you have home charging, ya don't need DCFC close to you. Ya need it like 100 miles away.



I have a ridiculous 28 EA stations within 30 miles of me in the Denver area. And I have no use for a single one of them. Where I need them is scattered around on all the highways between cities, for road trips.

Part of the reason for that is that govt funding for these chargers dictates that they have to be installed (in part) in underserved areas.

 

[dmastro]

Q: Please illustrate an example of the "reductio ad absurdum" fallacy

A:

I'm glad you understood the point I made.

 

[AhardFSU]

Part of the reason for that is that govt funding for these chargers dictates that they have to be installed (in part) in underserved areas.

It depends on which government you’re talking about. The feds require the installs within a mile federal highways. They also designate underserved areas, but your state may also have such designations. Here Florida, the state is following the NEVI guidelines but the state is also trying to ensure that there’s DCFC coverage in the rural areas, which are sorely lacking in DCFC.

 

[Logal727]

I have a ridiculous 28 EA stations within 30 miles of me

So that's where they put all of them!

 

[Logal727]

Right, because linking to the largest social media platform that actually supports free speech is harmful. The 2 best things to happen to the internet in 2022 was chatGPT public access and catfish car boy buying twitter. The best thing to happen for EVs owners in 2023 so far is cat fish boy announcing they're converting / installing additional DCFCs, particularly ones that are known to actually work and can be depended on. This is a big deal and those needing a safe space over their differences with musk should try doing what the rest of adults have to do -- grow up.

"free speech" lol

 

[timbop]

I'm glad you understood the point I made.

Well that was embarrassing. The flawed case you tried to make was of course a straw man, not reductio ad absurdum.

Nonetheless the assertions you are trying to refute referred to a small portion of Tesla owners not all, and certainly no one is attempting to ban them. But it was a nice try.

 

[dbsb3233]

So that's where they put all of them!

IKR? The reason I saw at one point was some supposed partnership with Lyft for EVs, but never heard a thing on that since. It's frustrating watching urban chargers go in month after month around the city while many of the road trips routes I'd like to do OUT OF TOWN take forever to get covered. Still waiting for I-80 just north of us in Wyoming to fill in. Yellowstone would be nice. A few more stations on I-70 in Utah would be nice. I'd gladly take 3/4th of those 28 chargers nearby and spread them around on rural highway routes in the region.

 

[dmastro]

Well that was embarrassing. The flawed case you tried to make was of course a straw man, not reductio ad absurdum.

Nonetheless the assertions you are trying to refute referred to a small portion of Tesla owners not all, and certainly no one is attempting to ban them. But it was a nice try.

Perhaps you didn’t understand. I was making a joke about how everyone blames Tesla drivers. Not an argument. Loosen up people.

 

[silverelan]

If Tesla owners end up blocking the magic dock ccs stations for the rest of us then we should all just help these Tesla owners out by utilizing Tesla's plug an charge automatic billing. Enjoy your idle fees!

Per the Final Rules, Tesla has to install CCS at a 1:1 ratio with Tesla plugs on their chargers if they use NEVI funds. This should render moot any malicious Tesla drivers from deliberately trying to block the CCS stalls.


Connector Types
This final rule establishes a requirement that each DCFC port must have a Combined Charging System (CCS) Type 1 connectors. This final rule also allows DCFC charging ports to have other non-proprietary connectors so long as each DCFC charging port is capable of charging a CCS-compliant vehicle.

Source: page 18 of the NEVI Standards and Requirements

 

[tfitzgex]

I'm not following your point, what are they doing, charging their vehicles? ?

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it's not that they are charging, it is however that they are rentals (uber drivers) and charge to 100% every.single.time.. Tesla will slow way down past 80% The uber drivers do not care that there are many other people waiting to charge.

 

[dbsb3233]

Per the Final Rules, Tesla has to install CCS at a 1:1 ratio with Tesla plugs on their chargers if they use NEVI funds. This should render moot any malicious Tesla drivers from deliberately trying to block the CCS stalls.


Connector Types
This final rule establishes a requirement that each DCFC port must have a Combined Charging System (CCS) Type 1 connectors. This final rule also allows DCFC charging ports to have other non-proprietary connectors so long as each DCFC charging port is capable of charging a CCS-compliant vehicle.

Source: page 18 of the NEVI Standards and Requirements

I think the concern is that they might intentionally tie up the combo chargers first even when there's plenty of Tesla-only chargers available. Sort of like how a CCS driver could intentionally tie up the CHAdeMO charger now at an EA station to block out any Leaf's, even though the CCS-only chargers might be open.

That is, assuming there's both combo (Tesla + CCS) and original (Tesla-only) chargers at the station. I think that's what many are expecting, that a current station of 8 will become a station of 12 (8 old + 4 combo), for instance.

The good news is that if 4 really are required to get the funding, it's less likely to have 4 jerks there at the same time trying to block out CCS drivers.

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