Drive for two hours - Charge for an hour road trip.

[21st Century Pony]

Thanks everyone for sharing your experience, and listening to mine.

Why not? Afther all, we're all in this EV thingy together

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[bbulkow]

there seem to be three road trip problems.

First is charging infrastructure, which is getting better rapidly. I am nearish one of the superchargers being converted, and the key element of reliability is easier to fix than new sites. We currently have a reliability problem. If everything listed as working was actually working i think road trips would work ok?

Second problem is mach e's slow quick charge. 45 minutes is a lot slower than 15 minutes, which Tesla and Hyundai both sport. This will be with us for the life of the car. I take a road trip only every few years (more money than time at the moment), so i am good with that, but still have a little heartburn with the mache. Good thing i love everything else about the car. As a fanboi, i hope we are getting much better battery pack life.

Third is user error. i saw a real world road trip race, multiday, and the mache driver came in behind the teslas but ahead of everything else. probably a rte 1, and from the article, the driver had planned, down to wearing shorts and a light tee shirt to avoid using ac at all! Savvy use of the charging networks (i counted 7 on my phone now, and i plugshare checkin at chargers i don't really need just to help out) and careful speed management (i rather like 67, and want to do the math on the best value). I don't mind playing the details, it is kinda fun.

With a multiday, the problem would be more interesting because you need an l2 for overnight, and many at hotels aren't in networks in terms of checking availability . At least we can use tesla destination chargers for overnight. And you want to hit the hotel as empty as possible, so you would speed up to cruise in low. And as mentioned you need a first officer in charge of flight management, and maybe a cell booster or the cars onboard hotspot because you are flying blind without internet although on freeways internet is easy to come by...

Considering doing a road trip just because it seems fun.

 

[kltye]

there seem to be three road trip problems.

First is charging infrastructure, which is getting better rapidly. I am nearish one of the superchargers being converted, and the key element of reliability is easier to fix than new sites. We currently have a reliability problem. If everything listed as working was actually working i think road trips would work ok?

Second problem is mach e's slow quick charge. 45 minutes is a lot slower than 15 minutes, which Tesla and Hyundai both sport. This will be with us for the life of the car. I take a road trip only every few years (more money than time at the moment), so i am good with that, but still have a little heartburn with the mache. Good thing i love everything else about the car. As a fanboi, i hope we are getting much better battery pack life.

Third is user error. i saw a real world road trip race, multiday, and the mache driver came in behind the teslas but ahead of everything else. probably a rte 1, and from the article, the driver had planned, down to wearing shorts and a light tee shirt to avoid using ac at all! Savvy use of the charging networks (i counted 7 on my phone now, and i plugshare checkin at chargers i don't really need just to help out) and careful speed management (i rather like 67, and want to do the math on the best value). I don't mind playing the details, it is kinda fun.

With a multiday, the problem would be more interesting because you need an l2 for overnight, and many at hotels aren't in networks in terms of checking availability . At least we can use tesla destination chargers for overnight. And you want to hit the hotel as empty as possible, so you would speed up to cruise in low. And as mentioned you need a first officer in charge of flight management, and maybe a cell booster or the cars onboard hotspot because you are flying blind without internet although on freeways internet is easy to come by...

Considering doing a road trip just because it seems fun.

Wait, which Tesla does 10-80% in 15 minutes?

 

[Womps]

Here in Alberta the majority if not all the level 3 chargers are maxed at 50 kwh. I’ve only used 4 of these chargers just to make sure I know what I’m doing if I ever need one. Charging at just below the freezing mark my MME will only call for about 30kwh. So based on that a 60% charge would take almost 2 hours. Totally unacceptable in my opinion. Fortunately for me 99.5% of my trips are easily attainable on my level 2 charging.

 

[Bobbyg813]

On a 350 mile freeway road trip in 35 degree weather I’m getting less than 2 miles for each percent charge. This means I’m super charging for 45 minutes at 75 kWh (on a 350 charger) for every 2 hours of driving. Add in the time to divert to a charger, find one that’s actually working (trying 3 to get 1 to work ), available, connect and start charging, it’s more like drive for two hours and handle charging for an hour in a Walmart parking lot.. And spend 15 minutes to find a charger on 3 different apps….

Stressful.

Lesson learned - use the Subaru for road trips!

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[alangsam]

if worried about range on long trips buy a tesla as their charging infrastructure is the gold standard. the charging station routing on maps is also the gold standard. this will change ofer time however but we are a few years out

 

[spgordon57]

The main range killers are cold temps, velocity and weight (multiple passengers), followed by using the heater and electronics. The other day I went through 175 miles of range to go 110 miles in my '22 Premium 4wd. There were four adults in the car, with the heat on, while averaging 70+ mph, resulting in 2.6 mi/kwh. When I drive solo around my suburban town I average 3.3 mi/kwh, which would get almost 300 miles on a full charge.

So take it on road trip, but plan ahead and plan well. Its probably a good 3-5 years till the charging infrastructure is up to speed. Full disclosure: after 8 mos. I haven't used a public charger yet. Lucky enough to have used a free charger at the places I've stayed at while on long trips. For really long trips we're sticking with the Subaru Outback, which goes 550 miles on a tank of gas.

 

[21st Century Pony]

The main range killers are cold temps, velocity and weight (multiple passengers), followed by using the heater and electronics.

...and longer stretches or sharp changes in increasing altitude.

 

[Mandretti]

Bottom line- it depends right? It’s more complicated, and less predictable in certain situations than we would like. It’s early days so not tooo surprising. Once battery capacity improves dramatically all of this will pretty much go away.

 

[dbsb3233]

Second problem is mach e's slow quick charge. 45 minutes is a lot slower than 15 minutes

The only time we take 45 minutes to charge on a road trip stop is if we have to settle for a 50kW or 62kW charger, which is rare. Or if we choose to take 45 minutes because it's the lunch stop.

We usually average about 100kW on our EA charges (a gradual creep from ~120kW down to ~80kW, up to the 80% SOC mark where we usually stop). 30 minutes is a typical road trip charge for us. But we're usually not running it all the way down to 10% either.

 

[Mandretti]

Yes - that’s my experience as well, but on this road trip - as I mentioned above - on several 350 or 150 chargers I was getting 35-50.

 

[bbulkow]

Wait, which Tesla does 10-80% in 15 minutes?

ah, those nasty tesla marketing people got me. they are claiming 15 minutes for 162 miles on the model y page, on an epa rated 330 vehicle. that sounds good but is not 10 to 80. i see in non tesla sources the 10 to 80 is closer to 30 minutes.

The ioniq 5 is claiming 18 minutes 10 to 80, and it is for 179 miles. so you can argue teslas claims are reasonable, that is kind of an apples to apples. This assumes you can find a 350kw 800v charger

maybe the right question for mache owners is, from 10 pct (a reasonable floor when on a road trip), how many miles can you get in 15 minutes with an er battery? or how long to 180 miles?

Here in Alberta the majority if not all the level 3 chargers are maxed at 50 kwh. I’ve only used 4 of these chargers just to make sure I know what I’m doing if I ever need one. Charging at just below the freezing mark my MME will only call for about 30kwh. So based on that a 60% charge would take almost 2 hours. Totally unacceptable in my opinion. Fortunately for me 99.5% of my trips are easily attainable on my level 2 charging.

That sounds like it will get a 2x boost with better fast charge infra, possibly including precondition? I have also got a lot of 30kw when i think I should get 60kw, like they are not capable of the right voltage

 

[dbsb3233]

maybe the right question for mache owners is, from 10 pct (a reasonable floor when on a road trip), how many miles can you get in 15 minutes with an er battery? or how long to 180 miles?

Putting it in miles is tricky. Just like range in general, it's probably gonna be inflated since EPA range reflects city driving more than highway (which is where range matters).

But we can estimate it. In good weather, the first 15 minutes is usually getting around 120 kW. That's 30 kWh. RWD EPA is 3.4 MPK. That's 102 miles.

 

[leeman]

There is nothing good about a battery powered vehicle in really cold weather or anything long-distance. I have seen nothing but horrible reports from people from all manufactures of battery powered vehicles. I will always have a gas powered vehicle for long trips until the infrastructure is billed out to have charging stations at every gas station.

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