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Use of the Clipper Creek eves charging cord is rated higher than the Ford mobile charging cord and at 50 amps not 40 amps it will produce more miles of range per hour of charging.
I couldn't find the cord you're referencing. Even so, that's entirely possible. The car can take 48 amps level 2. (60 amp circuit.) Regardless, I don't see the point in the Clipper Creek cord. The most it's going to be able to deliver is 40 amps. (50 amp circuit.) There are no 60 amp receptacles, so the very most a mobile cord can deliver is 40 amps. All of the ones I saw are either similar priced or more expensive than the Ford wall charger. The Ford wall charger gets you up to 48 amps delivered. (Level 2.)

For readers that aren't really versed in EV charging. Level 1 is 120 volt charging. Level 2 is 240 volt. Due to various restrictions, current is limited to 80% of the rated circuit. So a charger on a 50 amp circuit is limited to delivering 40 amps. L2 charging is limited in the Mach-e, the Tesla 3 and the Tesla Y to 48 amps delivered. The restriction is due to the capability of the onboard charger that converts AC to DC. The battery itself can only be charged with DC. DC quick charging at public stations is not limited by the car's on board charger because the power is delivered as DC power. The Mach-e is limited to 150KW DCQC because of battery limitations, the 3 and the Y can accept 250KW. At identical charge rates, the 3 and the Y will gain more miles of range per hour than the Mach e because the two Tesla's require less power to go a similar distance. Hence Ford states that the Mach-e adds 32 miles per hour with their wall charger and the Tesla's mentioned gain 44 miles per hour at the same delivered current.
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I couldn't find the cord you're referencing. Even so, that's entirely possible. The car can take 48 amps level 2. (60 amp circuit.) Regardless, I don't see the point in the Clipper Creek cord. The most it's going to be able to deliver is 40 amps. (50 amp circuit.) There are no 60 amp receptacles, so the very most a mobile cord can deliver is 40 amps. All of the ones I saw are either similar priced or more expensive than the Ford wall charger. The Ford wall charger gets you up to 48 amps delivered. (Level 2.)

For readers that aren't really versed in EV charging. Level 1 is 120 volt charging. Level 2 is 240 volt. Due to various restrictions, current is limited to 80% of the rated circuit. So a charger on a 50 amp circuit is limited to delivering 40 amps. L2 charging is limited in the Mach-e, the Tesla 3 and the Tesla Y to 48 amps delivered. The restriction is due to the capability of the onboard charger that converts AC to DC. The battery itself can only be charged with DC. DC quick charging at public stations is not limited by the car's on board charger because the power is delivered as DC power. The Mach-e is limited to 150KW DCQC because of battery limitations, the 3 and the Y can accept 250KW. At identical charge rates, the 3 and the Y will gain more miles of range per hour than the Mach e because the two Tesla's require less power to go a similar distance. Hence Ford states that the Mach-e adds 32 miles per hour with their wall charger and the Tesla's mentioned gain 44 miles per hour at the same delivered current.
You keep connecting so called output battery efficiency with input charging rates. I disagree. Model 3 Tesla vehicles can only charge faster if a software upgrade exists and is applied for the level 3 charging rates. Clipper creek posts different charging rates for the Tesla vehicles with the 11
5kW on board charger than what you have stated. The mach e has a 11.5 kW on board charger. I say mach e on a 50 amp breaker with a larger evse charging cord than the Ford mobile charging cord will get more miles per hour of charging.
 

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You keep connecting so called output battery efficiency with input charging rates. I disagree. Model 3 Tesla vehicles can only charge faster if a software upgrade exists and is applied for the level 3 charging rates. Clipper creek posts different charging rates for the Tesla vehicles with the 11
5kW on board charger than what you have stated. The mach e has a 11.5 kW on board charger. I say mach e on a 50 amp breaker with a larger evse charging cord than the Ford mobile charging cord will get more miles per hour of charging.
You can disagree all you want. You're wrong. I have no idea what you're talking about "if a software upgrade exists". It is well documented that the Model 3 accepts 250KW charging at a V3 Supercharger. As far as home charging, from the Ford Website: "Est. 32 miles of range per charging hour, using the optional Ford Connected Charge Station installed in a (240V) outlet* " https://www.ford.com/suvs/mach-e/2021/ Go to the webpage. Read what is actually there. 32 Mph at 240v and 48 amps. Duh. Or are you saying Ford has no idea what their car will do? And as far as charging the Model 3, here's a picture taken a couple of minutes ago, just in case you don't believe Tesla's numbers.

Yes efficiency matters in miles per hour charging rate. If car A can go 4 miles on 1 Kwh and Car B can go 3 miles on 1 Kwh, and they both charge at a rate 1 Kw, then in one hour car A will add 4 miles of range and car B will add 3 miles of range. The charging rate for Car A will be 4 Mph, and the charging rate for Car B will be 3 Mph. This is really grade school level math you know. Wishful thinking does not equal mathematical proof. You really don't seem to get that.

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Duh, 50 amp breaker with thicker eves cable than the Ford mobile charging cord will net more than 22 miles per range per hour as Ford is stating and you have. It will be closer to 30 miles per hour of range. How hard is that for you to understand?
 


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You can disagree all you want. You're wrong. I have no idea what you're talking about "if a software upgrade exists". It is well documented that the Model 3 accepts 250KW charging at a V3 Supercharger. As far as home charging, from the Ford Website: "Est. 32 miles of range per charging hour, using the optional Ford Connected Charge Station installed in a (240V) outlet* " https://www.ford.com/suvs/mach-e/2021/ Go to the webpage. Read what is actually there. 32 Mph at 240v and 48 amps. Duh. Or are you saying Ford has no idea what their car will do? And as far as charging the Model 3, here's a picture taken a couple of minutes ago, just in case you don't believe Tesla's numbers.

Yes efficiency matters in miles per hour charging rate. If car A can go 4 miles on 1 Kwh and Car B can go 3 miles on 1 Kwh, and they both charge at a rate 1 Kw, then in one hour car A will add 4 miles of range and car B will add 3 miles of range. The charging rate for Car A will be 4 Mph, and the charging rate for Car B will be 3 Mph. This is really grade school level math you know. Wishful thinking does not equal mathematical proof. You really don't seem to get that.

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So the bottom line is that a Tesla will charge slightly faster then the Mach E. Big deal. If you are charging at home the difference is insignificant since you will likely be sleeping. if on the road still not a big deal as stopping for say 15 minutes versus say 25 minutes (I am just making these times up) is still irrelevant. No one is going to sit in their car but rather grab a snack or use the rest room. Again so what....a little longer is not a huge difference. if staying in your car you will likely be on your phone playing a game, Instagram, FacebooK or watching a movie. In short I will not buy a Tesla for MANY reasons and a slightly faster charging time is not going to sway me.
 

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We still don't know the exact efficiency of the Mach E. Who says it won't be more than 4 miles per kW.
 

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Duh, 50 amp breaker with thicker eves cable than the Ford mobile charging cord will net more than 22 miles per range per hour as Ford is stating and you have. It will be closer to 30 miles per hour of range. How hard is that for you to understand?
If you'll actually read my response, I stated that was very possible. I just don't get why you'd buy the Clipper Creek cable when the Ford wall mounted charger will do better yet for the same or possibly less money. (48 amps and 32 mph charging.) BTW, here's some more grade school math for you: if 32 amp charging = 22 mph, then 40 amp charging (50 amp circuit) = 27.5 mph.
 

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So the bottom line is that a Tesla will charge slightly faster then the Mach E. Big deal. If you are charging at home the difference is insignificant since you will likely be sleeping. if on the road still not a big deal as stopping for say 15 minutes versus say 25 minutes (I am just making these times up) is still irrelevant. No one is going to sit in their car but rather grab a snack or use the rest room. Again so what....a little longer is not a huge difference. if staying in your car you will likely be on your phone playing a game, Instagram, FacebooK or watching a movie. In short I will not buy a Tesla for MANY reasons and a slightly faster charging time is not going to sway me.
I never said it was a big deal. I just pointed out what Ford says are the actual charging rates. There's obviously been a lot of misinformation going on; people deserve to have all of the facts. If you read all of my posts, you'll see I'm a big fan of the Mach-e. However, no car is perfect. Both the Y and the Mach-e have strengths and weaknesses. Each person will decide for themselves which strengths they prefer and which weaknesses they can live with. Facts are good, wishful thinking is not. It is a simple fact that the Y will charge faster than the Mach-e. For many people that won't matter compared to the Mach-e's strengths. Very rarely does one thing matter more than the sum of the whole.
 

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You keep connecting so called output battery efficiency with input charging rates. I disagree. Model 3 Tesla vehicles can only charge faster if a software upgrade exists and is applied for the level 3 charging rates. Clipper creek posts different charging rates for the Tesla vehicles with the 11
5kW on board charger than what you have stated. The mach e has a 11.5 kW on board charger. I say mach e on a 50 amp breaker with a larger evse charging cord than the Ford mobile charging cord will get more miles per hour of charging.
I'm just going to leave this right here in case it helps with calculations:
Mustang Mach-E has a 10.5 kW on-board charger
 

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I'm just going to leave this right here in case it helps with calculations:
Mustang Mach-E has a 10.5 kW on-board charger
I saw that too, but I'll guess it's a misprint. Ford lists 48 amps at 240v in multiple places which is 11.5 kw.
 

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I saw that too, but I'll guess it's a misprint. Ford lists 48 amps at 240v in multiple places which is 11.5 kw.
Yeah it's confusing. The hardwired Ford Connected Charging Station looks to be 48 amps / 240v about 32 miles per hour.

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