[video] Saying good-bye to Mach N Cheese

[stealthytolkien]

I found that EV6 had substantially more room in the rear row than the i4, cargo space with seats up was similar enough for me.

I’ll admit. When I “looked” at the EV6, I thought it is probably smaller than Honda Civic lol. But I was surprised just how big it is on the inside. Again, it simply didn’t work for my height (6’4”) as my head touched the ceiling and the seat was at its lowest position. But the drive was seriously impressive. Absolutely no gripes. I drove the EV6 GT. And it was just “refined” through and through. I wish you nothing but good luck with it. I truly do. All I hope for is that you never have to deal with Kia ever for anything more than basic maintenance.

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[DennisD]

Just my two cents, but when one purchases a new car and trades it in within 2 years, you typically take a blood bath on your finances. Now in the first year or two of these MME's, one could make money but if you were to trade it in now you would lose thousands of dollars.

With that being said, unless you have a crap load of money, you would be way better off to fix/repair things on Ford's dime and keep it for a few years before "dumping it". If one goes out to purchase an EV now, they are ALL in experimental mode IMHO. In other words, you are going to jump from one fire to another and lose thousands in the interim.

While I have fully expressed how disappointed I am with the quality/tech of the MME, I really don't see an alternative that would save me money if I traded it for a different EV. I am going to keep it for at least 4 years. Even with the "troubles" that one will have, you really are most likely jumping into another hot mess if you purchase an EV with this all being relatively new.

If I were the poster, I would buy any car other than an EV if he is worried about reliability issues. I would purchase a well proven and reliable car if that is his biggest beef. And if he wants "power", there are plenty alternatives in the ICE versions as well.

Am I missing something?

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

Am I missing something?

His background mostly.

In addition, once a vehicle you own earns an unreliable label with you and/or your family, it’s hard to trust it and its days are probably numbered imo. Add in the other shortcomings you perceive that might not be capable of being addressed adequately by the manufacturer and then it’s not a question of if, just when. My perception is that’s where @scoopman was at. I’ve been known to be wrong though.

 

[DennisD]

His background mostly.

In addition, once a vehicle you own earns an unreliable label with you and/or your family, it’s hard to trust it and its days are probably numbered imo. Add in the other shortcomings you perceive that might not be capable of being addressed adequately by the manufacturer and then it’s not a question of if, just when. My perception is that’s where @scoopman was at. I’ve been known to be wrong though.

I totally get that but with the "newness" of this EV technology, I am personally under the impression that I am going to find annoying things/issues that keep popping up that one may not see with an ICE version no matter the brand of EV at this point.

Once again, I like comparing these EV's to the typewriter/computer beginnings. The early computers were becoming obsolete at a fairly fast rate back in the day whereas the computer's of today seem to last a little bit longer with fewer issues.

The EV's are going to get exponentially better here in the near future (3-4 years) and if one tries to "keep up" in the interim, you are going to burn through alot of cash and headaches looking for that perfect car only to be disappointed over and over again.

My advice would be to wait it out. I am in the same camp of most likely not purchasing a Ford like the poster (who knows though?) for my next purchase but I am going to wait for the next wave of "more and better" (just like the computer back in the day. )

I would have never purchased a new computer a month later thinking that this is going to satisfy my wants and needs. I would have been disappointed. But I get your point, to each their own. ?

 

[voxel]

I’ll admit. When I “looked” at the EV6, I thought it is probably smaller than Honda Civic lol. But I was surprised just how big it is on the inside. Again, it simply didn’t work for my height (6’4”) as my head touched the ceiling and the seat was at its lowest position. But the drive was seriously impressive. Absolutely no gripes. I drove the EV6 GT. And it was just “refined” through and through. I wish you nothing but good luck with it. I truly do. All I hope for is that you never have to deal with Kia ever for anything more than basic maintenance.

Basically you need the Wind trim which doesn't have the sunroof which reduces head room about 2"

Oh... I completely forgot about the GV60. I test drove the Performance and that has all the qualities of the Ioniq 5 Limited with a nicer interior, better audio system, a few extras like adaptive suspension, fingerprint scanner, etc.

It's a tad smaller space wise than the EV6 and Ioniq 5.

 

[stealthytolkien]

I totally get that but with the "newness" of this EV technology, I am personally under the impression that I am going to find annoying things/issues that keep popping up that one may not see with an ICE version no matter the brand of EV at this point.

Once again, I like comparing these EV's to the typewriter/computer beginnings. The early computers were becoming obsolete at a fairly fast rate back in the day whereas the computer's of today seem to last a little bit longer with fewer issues.

The EV's are going to get exponentially better here in the near future (3-4 years) and if one tries to "keep up" in the interim, you are going to burn through alot of cash and headaches looking for that perfect car only to be disappointed over and over again.

My advice would be to wait it out. I am in the same camp of most likely not purchasing a Ford like the poster (who knows though?) for my next purchase but I am going to wait for the next wave of "more and better" (just like the computer back in the day. )

I would have never purchased a new computer a month later thinking that this is going to satisfy my wants and needs. I would have been disappointed. But I get your point, to each their own. ?

The likely cause here is that some have more (as in, a lot of) money than tolerance, leading to impulsive behavior.

I splurge from time to time. But when we replaced our two 7 and 5 year old tiny sedans bought new (hybrid and EV) with two ‘21 low miles SUVs (performance ICE and MME) to go easy on my back as a tall guy but mainly for more space for our baby, I literally couldn’t sleep a few nights after writing the two checks for outright purchases . I’ll probably sigh in relief in 2030-31 when they will have paid for themselves. Now one can say, why did I just not buy two super cheap people mover SUVs with the biggest room? Honda CRV and Hyundai Tucson! Fair argument, except that Honda and Hyundai dealers are smoking god-knows-what when they are selling their cars for what they are. So I decided to scratch the itch with another EV and always wanted to try an Audi / BMW grade ICE. So, I splurged. Affordability is a very tricky topic when it comes to choosing cars. But we are talking about trading in what you just bought because you "did not like it"...that we can take a stance on.

Some people just have a lot more disposable income (good for them). It is still amusing to me to see people with kids and families trade cars (the second most expensive thing after a house for most of us) in a year or two like it’s nobody’s business despite the financial loss (literally money down the drain), because, say, they couldn’t go faster. Some may have a legitimate reason (like moving out of the country etc. or beyond repair circumstances), but most do not. It’s reckless consumption IMHO. But as you said, to each their own.

My very middle class logic tells me that even if an amount is small to me, its buying power doesn’t automatically diminish. E.g. a $5k trade in loss is a pure $5k loss. Sure. Not a huge amount for me. But that is still a few months of child daycare.

 

[DennisD]

The likely cause is that some have more money and less tolerance leading to impulsive behavior.

I splurge from time to time. But when we replaced our two 7 and 5 year old tiny sedans bought new (hybrid and EV) with two ‘21 low miles SUVs (performance ICE and MME) for my back and first child reason, I couldn’t sleep a few nights after writing the two checks for outright purchases . I’ll probably sigh in relief in 2030-31 when they will have paid for themselves.

Some people just have a lot more disposable income (good for them). It is still amusing to me to see people with kids and families trade cars (the second most expensive thing after a house for most of us) in a year or two like it’s nobody’s business despite the financial loss (literally money down the drain), because, say, they couldn’t go faster. Some may have a legitimate reason (like moving out of the country etc. or beyond repair circumstances), but most do not. But as you said to each their own.

My very middle class logic tells me that even if an amount is small to me, its buying power doesn’t automatically diminish. E.g. a $5k trade in loss is a $5k trade in loss. Sure. Not a huge amount for me. But that is still a few months of child daycare.

People with money usually don't trade often. That is why those people "have money".

 

[stealthytolkien]

People with money usually don't trade often. That is why those people "have money".

Oof. Don’t you go all philosophically meta on me now!

 

[BigMach-E]

Just my two cents, but when one purchases a new car and trades it in within 2 years, you typically take a blood bath on your finances. Now in the first year or two of these MME's, one could make money but if you were to trade it in now you would lose thousands of dollars.

With that being said, unless you have a crap load of money, you would be way better off to fix/repair things on Ford's dime and keep it for a few years before "dumping it". If one goes out to purchase an EV now, they are ALL in experimental mode IMHO. In other words, you are going to jump from one fire to another and lose thousands in the interim.

While I have fully expressed how disappointed I am with the quality/tech of the MME, I really don't see an alternative that would save me money if I traded it for a different EV. I am going to keep it for at least 4 years. Even with the "troubles" that one will have, you really are most likely jumping into another hot mess if you purchase an EV with this all being relatively new.

If I were the poster, I would buy any car other than an EV if he is worried about reliability issues. I would purchase a well proven and reliable car if that is his biggest beef. And if he wants "power", there are plenty alternatives in the ICE versions as well.

Am I missing something?

Yes. The poster is looking for an EV that suits his needs, he doesn’t want an ICE. He wants what at this point might be a white whale: an EV SUV/crossover with sporty characteristics that has most of the major issues sorted out.

A little backstory is that he went through 2 HVJB replacements in two years with the MME, and now other things were failing on the car.

I’ve been through 2 HVJB replacements on the MME, but my calculation is different, because it was two different MMEs, and I don’t tote around a family on the regular in my car, so I’m a little more forgiving.

I love the MME, in fact, it’s so nice I bought it twice. Loved my Select AWD, but wanted more range and power, so traded it in for my GTPE. Took a little bit of a bath, but it’s everything I want in a car.

 

[DennisD]

Yes. The poster is looking for an EV that suits his needs, he doesn’t want an ICE. He wants what at this point might be a white whale: an EV SUV/crossover with sporty characteristics that has most of the major issues sorted out.

A little backstory is that he went through 2 HVJB replacements in two years with the MME, and now other things were failing on the car.

I’ve been through 2 HVJB replacements on the MME, but my calculation is different, because it was two different MMEs, and I don’t tote around a family on the regular in my car, so I’m a little more forgiving.

I love the MME, in fact, it’s so nice I bought it twice. Loved my Select AWD, but wanted more range and power, so traded it in for my GTPE. Took a little bit of a bath, but it’s everything I want in a car.

So let us recap if you will.

The poster started out by naming his car "Mach N Cheese". Right out of the gate, he names it after a product IMO is inferior. Too funny. I am obviously ribbing him at this point and mean no disrespect. I just had to laugh at that name though. Hopefully you can see the Karma if you will.

Secondly, I have owned a number of "sports" cars and have come to the conclusion that if you drive it like you stole it, it will surely be more susceptible for more break downs. The HVJB is no exception. If you "hammer" the go pedal, things will become strained and fail prematurely.

Thirdly, the 5 second limiter is a GOOD thing. If you are driving on public roads, please let me know what road you can legally drive (and safely btw) on, whereas the speed past the 5 second limiter would apply? Remember, he does have a family.

I personally think that if you want a "sports" car along with a reliable car for a family, those two don't go together. It would be like purchasing a "fur sink". Those two don't go together either. You need to either pick or get two separate cars. ?

After watching the video I think the poster seems like a genuinely nice person that is wanting a reliable and safe car for his family. I am just simply giving him some advice (take it with a grain of salt), that he should land back in reality and choose. Do you want a reliable car or a sports car? If you want the latter, all I can say is good luck!!!

Hope all goes well and keep us updated. Maybe your next car could be named, "Hot Dog" to go with the theme of poor foods. ?

 

[kennethjk]

There’s nothing wrong with having a family and wanting a sporty car that has some zip

I had that “dilemma” for 30 years.

although my kids have their own kids, I wanted a sporty looking car that had some zip and can hold the grandkids when needed. I had my Macan S for that reason and swapped it for the MME.

if I had all the issues he had I would consider dumping the car also, especially if my kids were young. Who wants or needs the hassle. Maybe he will have problems with the next car and maybe not. I have dumped cars when I was unhappy with them, it happens.

as it is, the likelihood of me buying another Ford is pretty small just considering how they are handling the HVBJB.

most people don’t drive to work with their kids 100% of the time so enjoy having something sporty on their normal drive.

just got to love the internet.

 

[BigMach-E]

@DennisD

You seem like a reasonable person. Let me make a few counterpoints.

1: It’s a joke on the cyber orange color and the naming convention Ford used, but surely you get that. Nothing to do with classism or quality.

2. Your point about being nice to your vehicle is all well and good. In general I and the OP are, you are basically suggesting here that owners of GTPEs shouldn’t use their cars as advertised. “Drive it like you stole it” is a loaded term that actually means different things to different people. To me, it means driving fast, it doesn’t mean running things over or chucking the car through corners at the limit or treating the car badly. Maybe that’s what you are suggesting.

The original HVJB is grossly underspecced. It has failed at an alarming rate for folks that weren’t even performing wide open throttle events.

I get your point, but the point remains that the part was max rated for 800 A, and the battery pushes out 1000 A or more. So instead of placing blame where it correctly lies (on Ford), you have chosen to blame the people who bought the car. Cool.

3. The 5 second limiter is definitely not a good thing. You have got to be kidding me. You have seen the Ford created videos of the GTPE on the track pre launch, right? They implied that you can flog the car at speed without mercy. I recommend this: get on a freeway in a GTPE, floor it up to 70 mph, hold steady at 70 for a minute, then floor it, you will see that this limitation is a very bad thing, because it creates a dangerous, uneven throttle response. If you expect power, and there is none there at certain times, and it’s capricious, it’s way more dangerous than driving fast.

I can see from your avatar that you don’t own a GTPE?

4. You shouldn’t have to choose, it shouldn’t be a binary thing. The EV6 GT is both very sporty and a practical car. The MME GTPE is advertised as the same. The Hyundai Ionic N looks to be the same. I get your point, but there is nothing wrong with wanting and expecting a car that pretty much does it all, and it can be done.

 

[A-A-Ron]

Sad to see some of our most enthusiastic members leaving the club. First @DevSecOps and now @scoopman - I completely understand your reasons; I claim this car is both the most fun and the most infuriating car I've owned. Still, I'll miss your customizations, your insights, and your enthusiasm. I know this is an MME forum, but I think many of us would love an occasional update on your new ride.

 

[DevSecOps]

The poster started out by naming his car "Mach N Cheese". Right out of the gate, he names it after a product IMO is inferior. Too funny. I am obviously ribbing him at this point and mean no disrespect. I just had to laugh at that name though. Hopefully you can see the Karma if you will.

The name Mach N Cheese was given by his very young son. He talks about this in prior videos.

Aside from that homemade macaroni and cheese is an amazing southern dish. It's not always Kraft in a box.

 

[DennisD]

Maybe you should consider asking why before making assumptions. The name Mach N Cheese was given by his very young son. He talks about this in prior videos.

Aside from the fact that you now look like a complete ass hat, homemade macaroni and cheese is an amazing southern dish. It's not always Kraft in a box.

As I clearly stated, I was kidding.

Sarcasm if you will.

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