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During the pandemic, people made a lot “flipping” Mustang Mach Es. Now, we are seeing “offers” (does “offer” = “value”?) drop significantly. From what I’ve read in the press, the belief is that all EV “early adopters”, “enthusiasts”, and just people “who like shiny new things”, have moved to the EV market, and now the manufacturers have to tackle the “ma and pa kettles” who want something that just goes and is a functional equivalent of their Buick Park Avenue or Dodge Caravan, and make the cars more appealing to the beer-chugging, AK-47-toting “I’m not driving an EV until I can ‘roll coal’ past all the bicyclists”.
Remember, our cars are essentially Windows 3.11 of the EV market. We love them but we are also enthusiasts. My next door neighbors in their mid-70s are not. My car would frustrate them.
Whoa, just a minute there! I am 72 and just got a 2023 MME GT and I am loving it and not frustrated one bit! Sure I had to read 20 blog articles and watch 50 or so YouTube videos to figure out the car, but hey, I did it
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Just think of how much more value your cell phone retains if it runs the last version of the operating system. Your hardware might not be the newest, but the functionality is similar (not identical, but close) to new. This is a structural problem with Mach-Es, given that software was written by a bunch of tier ones and twos.
We got a "ton" of updates since the MME launched in 2021. But has there really been that much improvement compared to bugs that were introduced? There was a slight UI change where we can use the volume know to adjust temp. But other than that, I can't think of anything else. We got a couple of games that no one plays or care about. I guess the improved charging curve was an improvement. But over all, the OTAs has been pretty underwhelming.
 

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I am half-heartedly trying to sell one of my MME GTPEs, out of curiosity I decided to refresh my offers. Here are the results for a 2022 MME GTPE with a little over 5600 miles, originally purchased in April 2022.

Carvana - $34000
Vroom - Won't make offer, not currently buying
Carmax - Won't make an offer without seeing it, no Carmax close enough to me to make it worthwhile right now
CarGurus -$45000

1 local dealer has 2 used for sale, 1 with 32000 miles for $47K and 1 with 11000 miles for $53K, so this certainly looks like dealers bottom feeding with low offers and reselling at more reasonable prices.
Local used car pricing has them anywhere from $46K to $54K depending on mileage per Cars.com. I know for sale pricing is not the same as sold pricing, but it certainly still looks strong to me.
Cargurus is offering 45k? I may have to take that offer.
 

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IMO Dealers will do whatever they can to get used EVs under the $25000 tax credit threshold so they can use it as a selling point to move the cars .Our resale/trade in value means nothing to them . They made their money off us already. Cue up the next sucker
You may have hit the nail on the head. The current tax law puts, probably unjust, downward pressure on used BEV prices. I know someone who owns a used-BEV only dealership. He told me he won't buy anything at auction he can't sell for $50K or less on the lot and still make money on. All of his Bolts are priced under $25,000.00 (even if just) on purpose.
 

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Mine is gone. I really liked the GTPE but the reliability was not there.

My software “update” for the HVBJB was done at 133 miles. My HVBJB failed at 6,000 miles and it took six weeks and ten lies to repair.

At 8,000 miles, the “SVS” notice produced 284 trouble codes! Massive brain fart or previous improper repair attempt? Ford was kind enough to not decide the origin of the issue and gave me a FULL buyback.

I got out whole so I guess I am Blessed considering the other stories.
 


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…that today, I was offered $23,000 for a car that cost me almost $51,000 cash about 5 months ago. It is a 2021 - Job 2 - Mach E GT Performance Edition - 10k miles - no deletions, super low miles, amazing condition inside out.

Plenty of threads about other quirks about the car, decent but not great MMI, slow “fast” charging speeds, HVBJB thermal issues, not great charging infrastructure, lack of skilled service centers. Not going to go into details.

And yet, we love the way the car drives. We love the power (I do not care one bit about the 5 second boost cap). We love how it looks. We love the attention from strangers coming up to us and asking questions about it.

Anyway, do what you want with this information. I wasn’t even trying to sell a car I haven’t even owned a year. It’s just an offer. But it was kind of shocking.

Cheers. Stay warm.
The biggest issue here is the insurance companies will total your car if you get a minor accident due to value being so diminished.
 

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I'm not sure what you are asking...

I'm not paying for it. They don't get the tax credit from my understanding because they are an S Corp. I'm not the tax expert so I'm just going based on what they told me.
They should, it’s one of the most disappointing things about the EV tax credit reform that passed a year or so ago. Businesses had all restrictions on the tax credit removed and had none of the new ones applied at the start of this year. So no origin requirements, no 200,000 sales cap, no income requirement, nothing. The new law allows someone making $1 million a year to buy a $150,000 Model S Plaid and get a $7,500 tax credit if they do it under a business name.
 

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Lots of great examples of how California is not representative of the rest of the country.
I don’t know what the figures are for the last year or two, but for many years California was the EV car market and for a long time afterward, still had a very disproportionate share of EV sales.
 

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They should, it’s one of the most disappointing things about the EV tax credit reform that passed a year or so ago. Businesses had all restrictions on the tax credit removed and had none of the new ones applied at the start of this year. So no origin requirements, no 200,000 sales cap, no income requirement, nothing. The new law allows someone making $1 million a year to buy a $150,000 Model S Plaid and get a $7,500 tax credit if they do it under a business name.
The way it was explained to me is that because they are a S Corp, the tax liability falls on the shareholders who are individuals. Therefore, the rules apply to them as individuals. Again I'm not a tax expert so I'm not sure how all that works.
 
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I don’t know what the figures are for the last year or two, but for many years California was the EV car market and for a long time afterward, still had a very disproportionate share of EV sales.
Still does. Way above 2nd state, Florida.
 
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A for sarcasm.

I am not intending to sell the car. I was simply checking what’s up with resale values. Hope I am allowed to do that :)

However, I think, your 5 month ownership buy sell remark is questionable. The car isn’t 5 month old. I could have owned this car for 2 years and posted this. If I did, I’d have gotten 23k for a 70k car. No?

Don’t get me wrong, I know what you’re getting at. But a 51k certified used car losing 50% value so quickly is an indication of worse trends to come for resale values in general for Mach E. That was my point behind the post to show facts and let people derive their own conclusions.
I got 25k for a 21 mme SELECT std range 3 days ago I paid 30k for 5 months ago. One data point does not make an indication of trends... and maybe make some more friends in sales, your numbers will improve.
 

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I got 25k for a 21 mme SELECT std range 3 days ago I paid 30k for 5 months ago. One data point does not make an indication of trends... and maybe make some more friends in sales, your numbers will improve.
So you purchased a used 21 Select for 30k and 5 months later sold it for 25k... You think that's a good deal? That's like a 1k/mo car payment on a used Select (a 30k vehicle loan is about $500/m)... There's not much good about that. Used to used is never going to depreciate like a new vehicle will. No one is disputing that a new car will heavily depreciate the moment you drive it off the lot.

A large portion of posters here are missing the point or just trying to be deceptive in defense of a nasty reality. The MachE, compared to other EVs, has a terrible resale value and depreciates much faster. That's it. It's a fact. If you're okay with that then great, go buy a MachE. There's no harm in letting people know where the current resale value of a potential purchase is. I'm not sure what there is to argue here.
 
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So you purchased a used 21 Select for 30k and 5 months later sold it for 25k... You think that's a good deal? That's like a 1k/mo car payment on a used Select (a 30k vehicle loan is about $500/m)... There's not much good about that. Used to used is never going to depreciate like a new vehicle will. No one is disputing that a new car will heavily depreciate the moment you drive it off the lot.

A large portion of posters here are missing the point or just trying to be deceptive in defense of a nasty reality. The MachE, compared to other EVs, has a terrible resale value and depreciates much faster. That's it. It's a fact. If you're okay with that then great, go buy a MachE. There's no harm in letting people know where the current sale value of a potential purchase is. I'm not sure what there is to argue here.
Compared to what the OP got for a GTPE and that there is no demand here where I am and the dealers are liquidating to pull out of selling Ford EVs? Yup. There is no real argument, other than the point that you are either going to find a really good deal if you love the MME from liquidation or you are going to lose out your pocket for buying one in a year +5.
 

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I got 25k for a 21 mme SELECT std range 3 days ago I paid 30k for 5 months ago. One data point does not make an indication of trends... and maybe make some more friends in sales, your numbers will improve.
That’s a pretty fair price for a used Select in today’s market.
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