Cybertruck AWD $79,990 Before Tax Incentives

[The Electric Duo]

Just in basic terms, most EVs won't match their EPA range because the EPA does a combined city/highway test. That works well for gas cars but in EVs, it is sort irrelevant since most EV owners charge at home. The tests that most EV journalist do is a straight 70 mph range tests (except for Edmunds). For the most part, Tesla has historically missed their marks by a lot more than other manufacturers. Part of it is because they are allowed to choose what variation of the EPA test they use and Tesla uses the optimistic testing process while others use a more pragmatic test. And even then, manufacturers can actually understate their range -- which some choose to do. Why does Porsche beat their range? They actually use a 2-speed transmission which is extremely rare in an EV. This helps the Taycan when maintaining a constant 70 mph.

BTW, there is actually an active DOJ investigation into the range estimates by Tesla:
https://www.theverge.com/2023/10/23/23928563/tesla-doj-ev-range-exaggerate-investigation

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[dbsb3233]

Did you actually go to Tesla's website to check out the pricing or did you just go by what's posted here? On the website, it list purchase price as 79,900. If you select the tab that says potential savings then it would change to a lower price taking into account the rebate, fuel saving etc. But it's pretty obvious what your purchase price would be. And for some reason, if you're still confuse, it would be crystal clear if you went and ordered a Tesla.

I went to the website. It displays the "Probable Savings" price by default. You have to look closer at the page to find that there's a "Purchase Price" tab you have to click on to get to the real price.

That's being deceptive IMO to not show the real price up front by default. Like they're slipping in some of the old school dealership salesman sleaze into the process, which is ironic since Tesla people always espouse the virtues of not having to deal with dealerships/salespeople.

 

[The Electric Duo]

Did you actually go to Tesla's website to check out the pricing or did you just go by what's posted here? On the website, it list purchase price as 79,900. If you select the tab that says potential savings then it would change to a lower price taking into account the rebate, fuel saving etc. But it's pretty obvious what your purchase price would be. And for some reason, if you're still confuse, it would be crystal clear if you went and ordered a Tesla.

Technically, it won't. That $79,990 is still just an estimate. Same with the beast and single motor versions.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

I went to the website. It displays the "Probable Savings" price by default. You have to look closer at the page to find that there's a "Purchase Price" tab you have to click on to get to the real price.

That's being deceptive IMO to not show the real price up front by default.

It's literally the second line. One line below Reserve Now, and directly above the price. It's not even in small print.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

Technically, it won't. That $79,990 is still just an estimate. Same with the beast and single motor versions.

Well, you can order one at that price now. As long as you don't add options. Or change the model to cyberbeast. Or you can order the RWD one for less.

There's a lot of things that you can complain about Tesla, but I find their pricing much clearer than buying from a traditional dealership. Once you placed your order, that's the price you pay, unless the price decreased, then you'll get the lower price. Can't say the same for a dealership. Most time you leave the dealership after purchase and still not clear on how you paid.

 

[dbsb3233]

It's literally the second line. One line below Reserve Now, and directly above the price. It's not even in small print.

The "Purchase Price" tab, you mean? Yes, the page displays the false price when you go to the Cybertruck page. Then unintuitively, you have to know to (or figure out to) switch tabs to display the real price.

In most of the retail world, when you pull up the page for a product and there's a price listed, people assume that's the real price.

 

[The Electric Duo]

Well, you can order one at that price now. As long as you don't add options. Or change the model to cyberbeast. Or you can order the RWD one for less.

There's a lot of things that you can complain about Tesla, but I find their pricing much clearer than buying from a traditional dealership. Once you placed your order, that's the price you pay, unless the price decreased, then you'll get the lower price. Can't say the same for a dealership. Most time you leave the dealership after purchase and still not clear on how you paid.

No, you can't. It is only a pre-order even if you give them your credit card right now.
Here's the "fine print" - https://www.tesla.com/configurator/api/v3/terms?locale=en_US&model=ct&saleType=PreSale

And for both Mach-Es that I bought, it was very clear and very similar to what Tesla does. Placed the order online and that was the price I paid. And with the second one, I even had the option to do all of my financing paperwork online. The only unclear part was taxes and fees but that was based on my address and my trade in.

Actually, I forgot, I showed up at the dealer with X-Plan so they took some money off of the purchase price.

 

[nvabill]

The "Purchase Price" tab, you mean? Yes, the page displays the false price when you go to the Cybertruck page. Then unintuitively, you have to know to (or figure out to) switch tabs to display the real price.

In most of the retail world, when you pull up the page for a product and there's a price listed, people assume that's the real price.

You know it’s kind of funny you keep talking about Tesla considering how many on this forum had so much trouble with their Mach E orders. Remember all the numerous threads where they put a deposit down on a firm price only to go to the dealer and get a jacked up price.

 

[nvabill]

No, you can't. It is only a pre-order even if you give them your credit card right now.
Here's the "fine print" - https://www.tesla.com/configurator/api/v3/terms?locale=en_US&model=ct&saleType=PreSale

And for both Mach-Es that I bought, it was very clear and very similar to what Tesla does. Placed the order online and that was the price I paid. And with the second one, I even had the option to do all of my financing paperwork online. The only unclear part was taxes and fees but that was based on my address and my trade in.

Actually, I forgot, I showed up at the dealer with X-Plan so they took some money off of the purchase price.

You can bet on it that the Cybertruck will stay at $79,990 to qualify for the tax credit.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

No, you can't. It is only a pre-order even if you give them your credit card right now.
Here's the "fine print" - https://www.tesla.com/configurator/api/v3/terms?locale=en_US&model=ct&saleType=PreSale

And for both Mach-Es that I bought, it was very clear and very similar to what Tesla does. Placed the order online and that was the price I paid. And with the second one, I even had the option to do all of my financing paperwork online. The only unclear part was taxes and fees but that was based on my address and my trade in.

Actually, I forgot, I showed up at the dealer with X-Plan so they took some money off of the purchase price.

You were lucky that your dealer didn't play any games. And not everyone had access to the x-plan. There are plenty of reports here of dealers adding last minute ADMs and outright stealing the car from people that waited 6 months for their cars because they didn't want to pay the undisclosed mark up. And don't forget about paint protection, alarms, fabric sprays, etc.

Let's be honest here, Tesla Pricing is so much more transparent then a traditional OEM-dealer network. Once you placed an order and not just a reservation, that's the price you will pay. Maybe less if the price drop before delivery, but never more.

 

[dbsb3233]

You know it’s kind of funny you keep talking about Tesla considering how many on this forum had so much trouble with their Mach E orders. Remember all the numerous threads where they put a deposit down on a firm price only to go to the dealer and get a jacked up price.

My comments about the real price deceptively not showing up by default on the order page have zero to do with the Mach-E. The topic of this thread is the Tesla Cybertruck, including the order page that you posted as the OP. It wasn't a comparison between the two. Deceptive is deceptive. No need to get defensive.

 

[The Electric Duo]

You were lucky that your dealer didn't play any games. And not everyone had access to the x-plan. There are plenty of reports here of dealers adding last minute ADMs and outright stealing the car from people that waited 6 months for their cars because they didn't want to pay the undisclosed mark up. And don't forget about paint protection, alarms, fabric sprays, etc.

Let's be honest here, Tesla Pricing is so much more transparent then a traditional OEM-dealer network. Once you placed an order and not just a reservation, that's the price you will pay. Maybe less if the price drop before delivery, but never more.

I surveyed over 300 Mach-E owners at the peak of demand and 94% paid MSRP or less. The 6% that paid over MSRP are ones that didn't order online. I've heard a few isolated cases on this forum where a dealer played games, but it was extremely rare.

X-Plan was pretty easy to get. All I did was join the Mustang Club of America right after I ordered our Mach-E. $30 per year and it has other perks.

I know people hate when the dealer tries up upsell you on stuff, but just say no. I've bought a few cars over the years and never bought any of that junk. And every single new car I've ever bought has been for under MSRP -- sometimes by a lot. I sorta dread going to this magically fixed pricing in the future if I can't negotiate a better deal.

 

[nvabill]

My comments about the real price deceptively not showing up by default on the order page have zero to do with the Mach-E. The topic of this thread is the Tesla Cybertruck, including the order page that you posted as the OP. It wasn't a comparison between the two. Deceptive is deceptive. No need to get defensive.

Sorry if I came across as defensive as that is not my intention at all, just making conversation about the order process at Tesla.

After thinking about it some more and going back to the Tesla sight I actually found it quite easy to use and not deceptive at all. But, as they say your mileage may vary.

If I may, could I ask you, would you ever buy a Tesla?

 

[Ghost Ryder]

I surveyed over 300 Mach-E owners at the peak of demand and 94% paid MSRP or less. The 6% that paid over MSRP are ones that didn't order online. I've heard a few isolated cases on this forum where a dealer played games, but it was extremely rare.

X-Plan was pretty easy to get. All I did was join the Mustang Club of America right after I ordered our Mach-E. $30 per year and it has other perks.

I know people hate when the dealer tries up upsell you on stuff, but just say no. I've bought a few cars over the years and never bought any of that junk. And every single new car I've ever bought has been for under MSRP -- sometimes by a lot. I sorta dread going to this magically fixed pricing in the future if I can't negotiate a better deal.

Most people that are on forums are pretty savvy. Unfortunately the vast majority of people get taken by the dealerships. It's just a fact. That's why people hate dealing with the dealer. I will bet that the vast majority of people that bought the MME did not get the x-plan price. I think most people on this forum didn't get the x-plan price. That's saying something, because people here should be the most knowledgeable. Fact is dealers will take advantage of people. Whether it's through financing, or unscrupulous add-ons, it just a how most dealers operate (not all, but plenty of them).

I'm all for a one pricing model. And so far Tesla is the closest one. You get the market price at time of order, and lower if it drop before delivery. Even if you didn't click on purchase price and left it as estimated savings, the final price will be listed when you check out. Again this is if vehicle that is ordered and not just a reservation spot.

 

[The Electric Duo]

Most people that are on forums are pretty savvy. Unfortunately the vast majority of people get taken by the dealerships. It's just a fact. That's why people hate dealing with the dealer. I will bet that the vast majority of people that bought the MME did not get the x-plan price. I think most people on this forum didn't get the x-plan price. That's saying something, because people here should be the most knowledgeable. Fact is dealers will take advantage of people. Whether it's through financing, or unscrupulous add-ons, it just a how most dealers operate (not all, but plenty of them).

I'm all for a one pricing model. And so far Tesla is the closest one. You get the market price at time of order, and lower if it drop before delivery. Even if you didn't click on purchase price and left it as estimated savings, the final price will be listed when you check out. Again this is if vehicle that is ordered and not just a reservation spot.

Yet 94% paid MSRP or less.

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