On the Fence after watching Mach E's thermal system nightmare

[Dsirois]

I'm ready to pull the trigger on a 23 Mach E Premium with extended range battery, but I just watch Sandy Munro's comparison of the Mach E's thermal system nightmare vs, the Model Y. In addition I am concerned about downtime with HVBJB and other issues. Is this all blown out of proportion? Would you buy another Mach E knowing what you know now? Thanks in advance

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[Mach-Lee]

Things have improved a lot since that video was made. The piping was redesigned. You'll have the newer HVBJB. The software is WAY better than it was two years ago.

The DC charging speed is still slow on the Mach-E and the charging network more limited.

Mach-E is better if you want something that looks better, but don't take a ton of road trips. And if you want a screen to look at in front of you instead of off to the side. You also get actual parking sensors that work properly and hands-free driving ability.

Model Y is better if you take road trips and want a reliable easy charging network.

Just know that Ford is extremely slow with software compared to Tesla.

 

[Peugfan]

Murnos point I believe is that it is more complicated than necessary with more hoses, connections, and weight than needed. I've never heard that the system does not work. All the hoses are operating at relatively low temperatures compared to ICE vehicles so I'm not concerned about coolant leaks. I think it shows that Ford Team Edison had a limited amount of time to get the car to market. If you want a simplified cooling system you likely have to wait for the next model refresh. Meanwhile, I enjoy the Mach E as delivered (except for HVJB failures) which will be covered by 8 yr warranty if they happen. I worry about dealers lacking ev competence.

 

[Mach-Lee]

Murnos point I believe is that it is more complicated than necessary with more hoses, connections, and weight than needed. I've never heard that the system does not work. All the hoses are operating at relatively low temperatures compared to ICE vehicles so I'm not concerned about coolant leaks. I think it shows that Ford Team Edison had a limited amount of time to get the car to market. If you want a simplified cooling system you likely have to wait for the next model refresh. Meanwhile, I enjoy the Mach E as delivered (except for HVJB failures) which will be covered by 8 yr warranty if they happen. I worry about dealers lacking ev competence.

Yeah nobody has had a coolant leak before. Everything with that system works.

I should also mention the dealer network, Ford is making a change to dealers that sell EVs. After Jan 1st some dealers will no longer be selling or servicing Ford EVs. So you might ask if your dealer will be "Model e certified" next year if you care about getting it serviced there in the future. You should also look where your nearest Tesla service center is.

 

[Logal727]

Oh no a complicated first gen product is complicated

 

[Dsirois]

Thank you all for you feedback. I still love the Mach-E and I've always been a Ford guy. Not a Elon fan and read a lot of negatives about Tesla build quality, cameras, comfort etc.

 

[GreaseMonkey]

Thank you all for you feedback. I still love the Mach-E and I've always been a Ford guy. Not a Elon fan and read a lot of negatives about Tesla build quality, cameras, comfort etc.

You should also know that MY is cheaper by a lot and has a better residual value. I would not completely dismiss the MY without driving it first. I like my MME, but if I were to make the decision today, it’ll definitely be a MY.

 

[thekat03]

I was well aware of the weak points of the MME compared to the Model Y. Also, the weak points of the Model Y compared to the MME. I already made one bad choice in EV with giving Toyota a chance despite the lackluster reviews. I did not want to make another. I went with the MME because I wanted the driver display, better parking assistance, closer service options to where I live, and as I felt they were comparable enough cars, I wanted the one from a company headed by someone capable of behaving in public like a decent human being. I have had mine for 4 months, and already put 12,000+ miles on it, including 5 600-900 mile (each way) road trips. No regrets at all.

 

[DevSecOps]

Thank you all for you feedback. I still love the Mach-E and I've always been a Ford guy. Not a Elon fan and read a lot of negatives about Tesla build quality, cameras, comfort etc.

As someone who just took delivery of a M3P last week, I can assure you that most of those negatives are things that Anti-Tesla people have said and continue to say. Just like Ford, Tesla has improved in the last 10 years. The M3P that I got is a company vehicle so I have no loyalty to Tesla and not a dime out of pocket for it.

The build quality of the vehicle I took possession of is flawless. I have no panel gap inconsistencies. In fact, I would say the interior is much nicer than the MME and there's a lot more storage. The comfort of the seats I like more than my MachE or my Rivian. It rides as good, if not better than the GTPE.

Camera quality? You realize that the MachE has no Sentry Mode or Dashcam right? There's cameras, but you can only use them when parking. So, if you're comparing cameras, I'm not sure what you are comparing it to.

The biggest difference to me is the technology. If you are into technology Tesla, Rivian and many others blow the MachE out of the water. In the Tesla or Rivian if I say "Navigate to ..." it starts navigating in less than 1 second. In the MachE it's a nightmare, takes forever and gets it wrong 1/2 the time. Everything is more responsive in the Tesla. People will say things like "there's no buttons" or "you have to use the screen to open the glove box". Well yes, if you're a dinosaur... Using voice commands in the Tesla you can do everything at the touch of a single button.

As for disliking Tesla because of Elon. He owns 20% of the company. Tesla employs over 180,000 american workers and it's one of the only vehicles 100% american made. My 2 cents; you're supporting american products and workers by purchasing a Tesla, don't let a minority owner get in the way of that.

 

[DevSecOps]

Why buy the extended range NCM battery for $7,000 more? It has a 310 mile range, but you're only supposed to charge it 90% unless going on a trip. You can safely charge the 250 mile LFP battery to 100%. So on a daily basis, you're only getting 30-35 miles more of range for all that money.

https://www.fordservicecontent.com/...ingEnabled=False&userMarket=USA&buildtype=web

He's not talking about the battery at all. Watch the video:

 

[DevSecOps]

Does a 2023.5 LFP battery car have this issue?

Take out your frunk liner and let us know... I don't think the thermal management system is different between the two batteries. Some say it's not as bad as it was back then, but I don't think it's much different than the video on the 2023s regardless of the pack. But I've never taken apart a 2023, so I really don't know.

 

[timbop]

I'm ready to pull the trigger on a 23 Mach E Premium with extended range battery, but I just watch Sandy Munro's comparison of the Mach E's thermal system nightmare vs, the Model Y. In addition I am concerned about downtime with HVBJB and other issues. Is this all blown out of proportion? Would you buy another Mach E knowing what you know now? Thanks in advance

Sandy is - to say the least - a fanboy of Tesla. He was also trying to get back with Ford as a consultant at the time, so that certainly may have contributed to his statements. I for one am delighted with my ER RWD Mach-E, and have had no major issues. There have been some annoying software bugs, but as a software developer for almost 40 years that is just plain the nature of the beast.

As someone else said, the Mach E and Model Y each have their warts and their plusses. The vast majority of Mach E owners have no serious issues with their cars. Hell, by dad bought an AMC hornet back in the 70's because consumer reports rated it so highly. The car my dad got was a piece of crap. Sometimes cars are just problematic, no matter who builds them.

For me I just cannot bring myself to give any money to that arrogant windbag.

 

[DevSecOps]

I won't disassemble my car for an "I really don't know."

The only way to find out is to take things apart... then you'll know for sure!

 

[timbop]

Why buy the extended range NCM battery for $7,000 more? It has a 310 mile range, but you're only supposed to charge it 90% unless going on a trip. You can safely charge the 250 mile LFP battery to 100%. So on a daily basis, you're only getting 30-35 miles more of range for all that money.

https://www.fordservicecontent.com/...ingEnabled=False&userMarket=USA&buildtype=web

You're kidding yourself if you think the actual range difference achieved in "the real world" is only 30 miles. That comes out to 1.5 mi/kwh. LFP are affected much more in the cold, which is precisely when the difference in kwh becomes most important..

 

[Strykerwsu]

I'm ready to pull the trigger on a 23 Mach E Premium with extended range battery, but I just watch Sandy Munro's comparison of the Mach E's thermal system nightmare vs, the Model Y. In addition I am concerned about downtime with HVBJB and other issues. Is this all blown out of proportion? Would you buy another Mach E knowing what you know now? Thanks in advance

The first poster summarized best. If you want a Mach -e, I would look for a HVJB “lemon” crazy value for the money.

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