Tesla recalls 2 million vehicles over autopilot safety concerns

[Mach1E]

https://www.wired.com/story/tesla-us-recall-autopilot-fault/

Finally admitting (because the government forced them to) that their systems to be sure drivers are paying attention are insufficient and too easy to trick.

I do find this part a bit ironic- “According to Tesla's own literature, “Autopilot is a hands-on driver assistance system that is intended to be used only with a fully attentive driver. It does not turn a Tesla into a self-driving car nor does it make a car autonomous.”

Autopilot isn’t autonomous and “full self driving” doesn’t make it self-driving.

How about a name change in addition to the recall?

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[Mach1E]

I've already had to put some of the Teslaratti crowd in the iggy bin, so I'll just shut up and sit this one out. ?

What’s funny is the recall story isn’t on Teslarati yet, but instead there is a story from 16 hours ago about how Tesla “has posted a stern response to a recent article from The Washington Post that suggested that the electric vehicle maker is putting people at risk because it allows systems like Autopilot to be deployed in areas that it was not designed for. “ ?

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-response-washington-post-autopilot-crashes-article/amp/

 

[MacherAWD]

I don't know why they're here other than to troll and try to convert us. It's like Jehovah's Witnesses fruitlessly beating on my door.

I'll shut up now.

Honestly I think there is a bit of brainwashing with that crowd, they are being manipulated and dont realize.

 

[MacherAWD]

Perhaps this will finally be their "Jonestown" moment. I'll send the plane with the Congressional delegation for the evac.

And I'll shut up now.

I highly doubt it. Tesla owners will follow Elons lead "the governement is exaggerating" they will say "I havent had an accident..." People dont learn, they dig in.

 

[MacherAWD]

I highly doubt it. Tesla owners will follow Elons lead "the governement is exaggerating" they will say "I havent had an accident..." People dont learn, they dig in.

I am already seeing the responses online on other forums; "it ultimately comes down to the driver, not Tesla's fault" They are equating this to McDonalds having to label coffee as hot.....

 

[HONEST ABE]

Coming from model y 2023, I can assure you that Tesla autopilot is the most dangerous and unreliable ‘’driver assistant package’’ I’ve ever had in a vehicle. In 2023 they got away with the ultra sonic sensors and the previous year with the lidar sensor. The vehicle depends on camera system only !!!!!. I will admit they have very good cameras but anyone with little bit of brain will know that is not going to be enough. Maybe for California weather but other places these cameras get disabled and faulty with little mud or rain. Even at night I was getting error messages about the cameras. It is utterly stupid to think cameras at this design can replace sensors.

 

[johnmark]

Grok will be driving next.

Heaven help us...

 

[The Electric Duo]

And just a coincidence, we already planned to release this video today. We filmed and edited this before we knew the recall would be announced.

Some notes -
1. I didn't emphasize the biggest difference between Bluecruise and Autopilot is that Bluecruise has a hands free component.
2. I had several instances of phantom braking which I've never had with Bluecruise, Supercruise, or any system that we've tested in the past couple of years.
3. I mention in the video that the in-cabin camera was completely useless for driver monitoring in my experience. I covered the camera with my hand and it never gave a warning. It might be because it detected my hand was applying torque.

 

[DevSecOps]

I hope you guys realize the impact that this will have on all vehicles. Tesla FSD is by far the most annoying system for punishment and for alertness on the market. I've driven a lot of driver assist equipped vehicles and none nag and punish you quite as much as Tesla.

There's a huge misconception about how you can sleep with FSD on etc. While that was true early on, it's not even remotely close to how it is today. I wouldn't be surprised if BCHF is the next on the chopping block because of this.

Here's a rundown of how FSD and their driver assist actually work:

• Very Annoying Torque Monitoring (there is no hands free at all with Tesla)
• Eye and Face monitoring
• Not paying attention will get you a strike. 5 Strike and FSD is taken away for 2 weeks.
• Going outside of a line more than a couple times will disable lane keep

It's sensitivity is far worse than the MME. So, cheer all you want, but don't be surprised if it trickles down now.

3. I mention in the video that the in-cabin camera was completely useless for driver monitoring in my experience. I covered the camera with my hand and it never gave a warning. It might be because it detected my hand was applying torque.

Because in the video you only use AutoPilot. There's no monitoring for face or eyes on AutoPilot. It's only for FSD.

Tesla has AP, Enhanced AP, NoA and FSD. They are all different, but people who don't know any better tend to lump them all into the same basket. I can tell what you're using because of the display on the left. FSD has a totally different display.

 

[MacherAWD]

I hope you guys realize the impact that this will have on all vehicles. Tesla FSD is by far the most annoying system for punishment and for alertness on the market. I've driven a lot of driver assist equipped vehicles and none nag and punish you quite as much as Tesla.

There's a huge misconception about how you can sleep with FSD on etc. While that was true early on, it's not even remotely close to how it is today.

I wouldn't be surprised if BCHF is the next on the chopping block because of this.

Here's a rundown of how FSD and their driver assist actually work:

• Torque Monitoring (there is no hands free at all with Tesla)
• Eye and Face monitoring
• Not paying attention will get you a strike. 5 Strike and FSD is taken away for 2 weeks.
• Going outside of a line more than a couple times will disable lane keep

It's sensitivity is far worse than the MME. So, cheer all you want, but don't be surprised if it trickles down now.

If Mach-Es start killing people and causing accidents I would welcome some government intervention and changes to make the system safe.

I view this as Tesla was playing fast and loose pursuing self driving, and causing accidents/deaths. This will cause them and others to take a more cautious approach. Glad this is out before CyberTrucks starting slicing through people on the highway with their insane weight.

 

[The Electric Duo]

I hope you guys realize the impact that this will have on all vehicles. Tesla FSD is by far the most annoying system for punishment and for alertness on the market. I've driven a lot of driver assist equipped vehicles and none nag and punish you quite as much as Tesla.

There's a huge misconception about how you can sleep with FSD on etc. While that was true early on, it's not even remotely close to how it is today.

I wouldn't be surprised if BCHF is the next on the chopping block because of this.

Here's a rundown of how FSD and their driver assist actually work:

• Torque Monitoring (there is no hands free at all with Tesla)
• Eye and Face monitoring
• Not paying attention will get you a strike. 5 Strike and FSD is taken away for 2 weeks.
• Going outside of a line more than a couple times will disable lane keep

It's sensitivity is far worse than the MME. So, cheer all you want, but don't be surprised if it trickles down now.



Because in the video you only use AutoPilot. There's no monitoring for face or eyes on AutoPilot. It's only for FSD.

Tesla has AP, Enhanced AP, NoA and FSD. They are all different, but people who don't know any better tend to lump them all into the same basket.

From my experience, the nags for torque on the steering wheel aren't that frequent in Autopilot. I was also able to completely block the cabin camera and never got a warning.

 

[dtbaker61]

I am not in favor of ANY driver assist in any vehicle. I think it fosters inattention, and muddies the water when it comes to responsibility. car tech, camera tech, lidar might be great, but cannot contend with crappy roads, surprises, or the 'unexpected' very well.

I wish we could turn off all the active driver assist stuff in the MME that can steer or brake for you, and have it STAY off. A big peeve is the 'collision alert' bell and red flashing that false positives in city driving quite often. I find it distracting rather than helpful.

 

[DevSecOps]

If Mach-Es start killing people and causing accidents I would welcome some government intervention and changes to make the system safe.

I view this as Tesla was playing fast and loose pursuing self driving, and causing accidents/deaths. This will cause them and others to take a more cautious approach. Glad this is out before CyberTrucks starting slicing through people on the highway with their insane weight.

You are comparing 2M vehicles vs 200K vehicles. There's likely to be close to 10,000 times more miles driven on FSD than BC. If you're not being bias BC has the exact same problem that AP or FSD would have. They can't see stopped vehicles. In fact BC won't navigate or take mitigating actions for anything. If we look at BC in 10 years I think we'll see that there's likely to be just as many fatalities due to it as there is for FSD. I think FSD is at 18 fatalities, or something like that.

From my experience, the nags for torque on the steering wheel aren't that frequent in Autopilot. I was also able to completely block the cabin camera and never got a warning.

The nags are definitely more frequent. I drove my MME for 40k miles almost all using BC and I now own and drive a M3P with NoA/FSD on mostly.

Also the monitor I addressed in my first post to you. It is only enabled on FSD. It's not enabled on AP, EAP or NoA.

 

[MacherAWD]

You are comparing 2M vehicles vs 200K vehicles. There's likely to be close to 10,000 times more miles driven on FSD than BC. If you're not being bias BC has the exact same problem that AP or FSD would have. They can't see stopped vehicles. In fact BC won't navigate or take mitigating actions for anything. If we look at BC in 10 years I think we'll see that there's likely to be just as many fatalities due to it as there is for FSD. I think FSD is at 18 or something like that.



The nags are definitely more frequent. I drove my MME for 40k miles almost all using BC and I now own and drive a M3P with NoA/FSD on mostly.

Also the monitor I addressed in my first post to you. It is only enabled on FSD. It's not enabled on AP, EAP or NoA.

And if BC causes issues then Ford needs to address that. In the meantime please dont kill me or my family if you decide to use AP or FSD. Thank you.

 

[heisnuts]

It will be interesting how the system changes after the recall is applied. That should happen pretty fast since just like almost every other Tesla recall it is an OTA update and Tesla already sends OTAs at least once a month (usually more) so it should be completed before the required legal notices are sent to customers.

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