Mach-E Aftermarket wheel and tire information and pictures

[cpthook]

It is really hard to say what the range lost will be with the new wheels. If I had to take a guess from talking to several members on this forum and others, it seems to be an average of 5% loss in range when using an EV tire and about 7-10% with a non-EV tire. I have aftermarket wheels and with EV tires, I have a very minimal range loss, about 3%. With my performance summer non-EV tires, about 7%.

Again, not sure how up to date my list is but looking at that tire size, there are quite a few all season's but not too many performance all season's. The highest performance all season EV tire on that list in that size is the Pirelli P Zero All Season Plus ELECT Ultra High Performance All-Season. Several members here have that exact tire and really like it. Has not gotten any poor reviews as far as I have seen. That also happens to be the tire I run in the winter months here when the temps are in the 20's and 30's (we rarely get snow).

Thanks again markboris! I made my choice of Tires/ Wheels here in the screenshots below for my 2023 Premium RWD. I chose the tires from your list. Although I think I should have researched a bit more because it seems I'm losing more range than predicted. My first test after install was a 172mi round trip drive from home to SanDiego begining at 100% (235mi) 70degreesF. The drive and handling were a dream but cost 80% of range. I returned home with exactly 20% (63mi) remaining. Terrain was a pretty good mix of hilly climbs and decents both ways but mostly flat along CA HWY 15. Unfortunately I do not have any other long range trips to compare since purchase and stock wheels, but comapred to city driving the range loss seems more than 10%.

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[Scooby24]

Thanks again markboris! I made my choice of Tires/ Wheels here in the screenshots below for my 2023 Premium RWD. I chose the tires from your list. Although I think I should have researched a bit more because it seems I'm losing more range than predicted. My first test after install was a 172mi round trip drive from home to SanDiego begining at 100% (235mi) 70degreesF. The drive and handling were a dream but cost 80% of range. I returned home with exactly 20% (63mi) remaining. Terrain was a pretty good mix of hilly climbs and decents both ways but mostly flat along CA HWY 15. Unfortunately I do not have any other long range trips to compare since purchase and stock wheels, but comapred to city driving the range loss seems more than 10%.

The wheels you opted for are quite heavy (7 lbs heaver per wheel than my 20x9s). The wheels also look like jet turbines lol...I can't imagine they are very aero efficient.

This you?

 

[cpthook]

The wheels you opted for are quite heavy (7 lbs heaver per wheel than my 20x9s). The wheels also look like jet turbines lol...I can't imagine they are very aero efficient.

This you?

Yes sir.... Taken shortly after install last week in Santa Ana. Let the hits roll in...lol. They look great to me though but I may have made a big compromise. No matter... you learn as you go! Thanks for the find. I had no idea they posted so soon.

 

[Scooby24]

Yes sir.... Taken shortly after install last week in Santa Ana. Let the hits roll in...lol. They look great to me though but I may have made a big compromise. No matter... you learn as you go! Thanks for the find. I had no idea they posted so soon.

Not knocking at all, just pointing out the weight and face design is likely the primary reason for the losses in efficiency. You pay to play!

 

[HuntingPudel]

Thanks again markboris! I made my choice of Tires/ Wheels here in the screenshots below for my 2023 Premium RWD. I chose the tires from your list. Although I think I should have researched a bit more because it seems I'm losing more range than predicted. My first test after install was a 172mi round trip drive from home to SanDiego begining at 100% (235mi) 70degreesF. The drive and handling were a dream but cost 80% of range. I returned home with exactly 20% (63mi) remaining. Terrain was a pretty good mix of hilly climbs and decents both ways but mostly flat along CA HWY 15. Unfortunately I do not have any other long range trips to compare since purchase and stock wheels, but comapred to city driving the range loss seems more than 10%.

You said that compared to city driving you had a loss of range. This is to be expected when comparing a highway trip against your city range, even if all else were equal since the higher speeds can result in more than a 10% loss in efficiency. I have lost 8-10% in efficiency from my 20x9.5” wheels and 275/40R20 tires when comparing my morning commute from before vs. after. Do you have a similar route against which you can compare your before and after? ?‍?

 

[markboris]

Thanks again markboris! I made my choice of Tires/ Wheels here in the screenshots below for my 2023 Premium RWD. I chose the tires from your list. Although I think I should have researched a bit more because it seems I'm losing more range than predicted. My first test after install was a 172mi round trip drive from home to SanDiego begining at 100% (235mi) 70degreesF. The drive and handling were a dream but cost 80% of range. I returned home with exactly 20% (63mi) remaining. Terrain was a pretty good mix of hilly climbs and decents both ways but mostly flat along CA HWY 15. Unfortunately I do not have any other long range trips to compare since purchase and stock wheels, but comapred to city driving the range loss seems more than 10%.

Hey Mark, we need to see your car with those wheels!! Post a photo when you have time.

About the range loss, as I have mentioned before and same with others, the wheels will contribute more to that than the tires. Larger, heavier, less aero wheels will do it. As far as the tires you picked, the Michelin Latitude Sport 3's are designed to have a low rolling resistance AND the ones you got are specifically made for Tesla so I would say they have a very minor impact on your range loss. However, you did go up one size which means more rubber on the road and it is also a bit heavier. Unless range is a top priority for you, I'm sure the looks and better handling of the car will outweigh any negative range loss.

 

[cpthook]

Hey Mark, we need to see your car with those wheels!! Post a photo when you have time.

About the range loss, as I have mentioned before and same with others, the wheels will contribute more to that than the tires. Larger, heavier, less aero wheels will do it.

Unless range is a top priority for you, I'm sure the looks and better handling of the car will outweigh any negative range loss.

Considering the title of this post my apologies for not posting my beauty earlier but here she is. This was a photo taken by the wheel shop that installed them. I will take more closer snapshots in the SoCal sunshine soon. Also one of our forum friends Scooby24 actullay found a Youtube vid posted by the wheelshop of my ride after the wheels where installed (link in my sig). The shop told me they were gonna post it I just didnt know they would post so soon. I think she looks terrific and the handling is phenominal! Only time will tell if the range loss will affect my overall traveling plans. This is my 1st EV ever so I'm learning about all the nuances to pay attention to not just wheels and range. Thanks for this forum post!

 

[VibeMotorsports]

Avant Garde M520R in Gloss Black
22x9 All around
265/35 22

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[markboris]

Since you are kind enough to indulge me, can you recommend the "spec" (offset and such) to allow for the aftermarket wheel that can accommodate those 265/40/20's?

Keep in mind I'm GTPE, if that makes a difference on suspension hardware getting in the way.

I love the idea of those AMG tires.
Better grip AND a nicer ride than oem? That's like getting your cake and eating it too.

Yes I've had several sets of generic and OEM PS4S's and these 256/40/20's that are specifically developed for the AMG GT 53 have an emphasis on steering feedback dynamics (sharper steering response) and comfort. Both of those characteristics are at the top of my list when testing tires and they do deliver in that area. They have a tighter on center feel and in turns the steering force has a more linear built up than generic PS4S's. They are definitely smoother riding and quieter (they have acoustic foam inside) than any other PS4S's I've driven on.

About wheel specs, I would get 20"x9" wheels with a +47 offset. The tire is just under 1" wider than the OEM (245/45/20) tire so keeping the same offset as the OEM wheels will split that difference on each side. .4" farther out and .4" closer to the suspension. There is no issue with either one of those. There won't be any poke as the tires right now are set in about 1" so they will be set in about 1/2". The overall tire is 1/2" shorter in height which is only 1.4% difference in diameter so no issue there either. You can have up to 3% difference before you could have issues with the AWD system but I have actually had a greater difference than 3% without issues. The side wall is only .1" shorter than the OEM tires so it will look the same viewing from the side as OEM tires. The tire load rating is slightly more (104 opposed to 103 of the Pirelli's) so you can run them at 37 psi instead of 39 psi for the proper load capacity of the Mach-E. Speed rating is the same (Y).

I never mention range since it's not a concern for me and I don't think it is for you but with all the tires I have tested I never see any huge differences. I drive back and forth to Sac airport a couple of times a month (118 miles each way) and I usually always end up using around 40% of my battery. Of course it depends on the time of year and weather but that is the average and it doesn't change very much with whatever tire I run. Summer performance tires generally don't have low rolling resistance and these particular PS4S's have a C (average) fuel efficiency European rating.

The drawback to these particular AMG OEM PS4S's are the price (very expensive). Also, and this is typical of Summer Performance tires, tread wear rating is on the lower side compared to an All Season or Grand Touring tire. Ultra High Performance Summer tires never last as long but I've consistently gotten between 20-30K out of PS4S's depending on the car and the way it's driven. You might get more or less. PS4S's do have a 30K mile warranty (square setup only) while the Pirelli P Zero's have NO tread wear warranty. The PS4S's tread wear rating is slightly higher (300 vs 280) than the Pirelli P Zeros that come on the GTPE so for sure you should get a longer tread life than those. Some here on the forum have gotten as little as 4K miles out of the Pirelli's while others have gotten as high as over 20K so really depends on the driver and roads driven on how long they will last.

For over 7 years the PS4S has been my favorite tire but I'm really wanting to try out Michelin's replacement, the PSS5. They have developed one specifically for the AMG GT 63 which has similar characteristics as the PS4S's I'm running now. Unfortunately they are not available here in the US, only in Europe and other countries. They are the same staggered AMG GT 53 setup I'm running now (265/40/20 front, 295/35/40 rear). I'm hoping to see them here soon so I can get those on the Mach-E and test them out!

 

[Snakebitten]

Thank you so much.
That covers all the bases for wanting that extra ~4 inches of patch on the ground if I want to stay square too.

Which I think I do, at this point.

The 987 came from Porsche staggered, so I accept it as designed, along with the reduced tire life. Besides, it's not really my daily, so I'm not replacing tires twice a year.
But I don't have enough seat time in the GTPE to be too discerning yet. I'll know more soon enough.

It turns out that while the one-off tire replacement I made today looked on paper as being very similar, it's a higher speed rating (Y vs H) and 2 pounds lighter. As well as a difference in tread block siping in the center.
I know it's not that big of a deal, but it's going to gnaw at me. So I got some decisions to make.

Again, thanks for the generous data sharing. Really appreciate it.

 

[markboris]

Thank you so much.
That covers all the bases for wanting that extra ~4 inches of patch on the ground if I want to stay square too.

Which I think I do, at this point.

The 987 came from Porsche staggered, so I accept it as designed, along with the reduced tire life. Besides, it's not really my daily, so I'm not replacing tires twice a year.
But I don't have enough seat time in the GTPE to be too discerning yet. I'll know more soon enough.

It turns out that while the one-off tire replacement I made today looked on paper as being very similar, it's a higher speed rating (Y vs H) and 2 pounds lighter. As well as a difference in tread block siping in the center.
I know it's not that big of a deal, but it's going to gnaw at me. So I got some decisions to make.

Again, thanks for the generous data sharing. Really appreciate it.

All my tire setups on the Mach-E as well as most of my other performance cars have staggered setups. I agree with you to stay with a square setup for more longevity being able to rotate them. I would strongly recommend getting the Eibach front and rear sway bar setup also. It will be the single best mod you will ever do on your Mach-E. Just ask the many here that have installed them.

 

[JoeyD]

Yes I've had several sets of generic and OEM PS4S's and these 256/40/20's that are specifically developed for the AMG GT 53 have an emphasis on steering feedback dynamics (sharper steering response) and comfort. Both of those characteristics are at the top of my list when testing tires and they do deliver in that area. They have a tighter on center feel and in turns the steering force has a more linear built up than generic PS4S's. They are definitely smoother riding and quieter (they have acoustic foam inside) than any other PS4S's I've driven on.

About wheel specs, I would get 20"x9" wheels with a +47 offset. The tire is just under 1" wider than the OEM (245/45/20) tire so keeping the same offset as the OEM wheels will split that difference on each side. .4" farther out and .4" closer to the suspension. There is no issue with either one of those. There won't be any poke as the tires right now are set in about 1" so they will be set in about 1/2". The overall tire is 1/2" shorter in height which is only 1.4% difference in diameter so no issue there either. You can have up to 3% difference before you could have issues with the AWD system but I have actually had a greater difference than 3% without issues. The side wall is only .1" shorter than the OEM tires so it will look the same viewing from the side as OEM tires. The tire load rating is slightly more (104 opposed to 103 of the Pirelli's) so you can run them at 37 psi instead of 39 psi for the proper load capacity of the MME. Speed rating is the same (Y). I never mention range since it's not a concern for me and I don't think it is for you but with all the tires I have tested I never see any huge differences. I drive back and forth to Sac airport a couple of times a month (118 miles each way) and I usually always end up using right around 40% of my battery. Of course it depends on the time of year and weather but that is the average and it doesn't change very much with whatever tire I run.

The two drawbacks to these particular AMG OEM PS4S's are the price (very expensive) and their wear rating is 300. You won't get the milage out of them as you would an All Season or Touring tire. Ultra High Performance Summer tires never last as long but I've consistently gotten between 20-30K out of PS4S's depending on the car and the way it is driven. You might get less or more. They do have a 30K mile warranty (square setup only) while the Pirelli P Zero's have no tread wear warranty. The PS4S's tread wear rating is higher (300 vs 220) than the Pirelli P Zeros that come on the GTPE so for sure you should get a longer life than those. Some here on the forum have gotten as little as 4K miles out of the Pirelli's while others have gotten as high as over 20K so really depends on the driver and roads driven on how long they will last.

For over 7 years the PS4S has been my favorite tire but I'm really wanting to try out Michelin's replacement, the PSS5. They have developed one specifically for the new AMG GT 63 which has similar characteristics as the PS4S's I'm running now. Unfortunately they are not available here in the US, only in Europe and other countries. They are the same staggered AMG GT 53 setup I'm running now (265/40/20 front, 295/35/40 rear). I'm hoping to see them here soon so I can get those on the MME and test them out!

Great write up on those PS4S's Mark!

I had them on an '08 Honda S2000 and that was one fun car to drive up in the mountains. I've got over 30K miles on the Pirelli Scorpion Zero All Season Plus tires that are on the Mach-E right now and they still look new. I was thinking of getting PS4S's when they finally wear out to get back some of that sportiness I felt in the S2000. The steering feel on these Pirelli's is vague but they are a comfortable and fairly quiet tire.

 

[markboris]

It is time for me to change out my wheels. Normally I just do it and post the final results but this time I'm going to throw up some photos of wheels I was thinking of going with. I have already picked one but would like to see what others think. ?

I like most all types of wheels from the common to the unusual. I also like to work with wheels that I rarely see on a particular car. In the last three years, I've had two sets of wheels on my car. Both were the same model wheel and design. First one was gloss black, and the current one is gloss black with a polished face. That polished face works on my silver car but wouldn't on most other colors. I felt the black was a little too much contrast on the silver, at least for my taste.

My 1st set of wheels:

Current set (same wheels but polished face)

On to why I am changing..... I want a slightly shorter sidewall, and I want to run the new Michelin Pilot Sport S5's. I can buy the same wheels I have now in the size I want but since I am changing, why not look at others.

Side note on my wheel selection, I am partial to Signature Wheels. They are fully forged, very light and every one is more than strong enough to handle the weight of the Mach-E. Not to mention the North American distributor is a personal friend of mine. Drawback: they are not cheap and most any aftermarket wheels will reduce range which I don't care about anyway. The wheels above are SV706's in case anyone wants to know.

The three wheels below were the contenders this time.

This one is kind of unique having somewhat round holes and slightly reminds me of the GT wheels. I would get them in gloss black but with a polished face like my current wheels. They are SV709's.

These are the more common split 5-spoke and again would get the in gloss black with a polished face. SV 701's

And last, a solid 5-spoke wheel. The rim around this particular wheel is flat (no ribs) and has a very smooth, clean look. This simple design I would get in gloss black with no polished face. SV901

So, out of those three, which one do you think I picked? By the way, the tire will be the Michelin Pilot Sport S5 in the size 275/35/21. I am going with a square setup this time. I normally run a staggered setup but cannot get the PSS5's in the sizes for that type setup and the 275's should be wide enough for me even though I am running 295's in the back right now (I had 315's before that). Compared to the 20" OEM tire, it is the same diameter (28.7") and same load and speed rating (103Y). It is 1.25" wider and the sidewall is .5" shorter

Thought I would throw these in because I thought they were interesting. My friend Terrance at Signature Wheels is also designing wheels for a specialty company (Archetype) and showed me this prototype. It is an off-road, wheel that are designed for Cybertrucks and other EV's. They are made here in the US, fully forged and very expensive but very cool looking.

 

[PalsyWalsy]

It is time for me to change out my wheels. Normally I just do it and post the final results but this time I'm going to throw up some photos of wheels I was thinking of going with. I have already picked one but would like to see what others think. ?

I like most all types of wheels from the common to the unusual. I also like to work with wheels that I rarely see on a particular car. In the last three years, I've had two sets of wheels on my car. Both were the same model wheel and design. First one was gloss black, and the current one is gloss black with a polished face. That polished face works on my silver car but wouldn't on most other colors. I felt the black was a little too much contrast on the silver, at least for my taste.

1st set of wheels:

Current set (same wheels but polished face)

On to why I am changing..... I want a slightly shorter sidewall, and I want to run the new Michelin Pilot Sport S5's. I can buy the same wheels I have now in the size I want but since I am changing, why not look at others.

Side note on my wheel selection, I am partial to Signature Wheels. They are fully forged, very light and every one is more than strong enough to handle the weight of the MME. Not to mention the North American distributor is a personal friend of mine. Drawback: they are not cheap and most any aftermarket wheels will reduce range which I don't care about anyway. The wheels above are SV706's in case anyone wants to know.

The three wheels below were the contenders this time.

This one is kind of unique having somewhat round holes and slightly reminds me of the GT wheels. I would get them in gloss black but with a polished face like my current wheels. They are SV709's.

These are the more common split 5-spoke and again would get the in gloss black with a polished face. SV 701's

And last, a solid 5-spoke wheel. The rim around this particular wheel is flat (no ribs) and has a very smooth, clean look. This simple design I would get in gloss black with no polished face.

So, out of those three, which one do you think I picked? By the way, the tire will be the Michelin Pilot Sport S5 in the size 275/35/21. I am going with a square setup this time. I normally run a staggered setup but cannot get the PSS5's in the sizes for that type setup and the 275's should be wide enough for me even though I am running 295's in the back right now (I had 315's before that). Compared to the 20" OEM tire, it is the same diameter (28.7") and same load and speed rating (103Y). It is 1.25" wider and the sidewall is .5" shorter

Thought I would throw these in because I thought they were interesting. My friend Terrance at Signature Wheels is also designing wheels for a specialty company (Archetype) and showed me this prototype. It is an off-road, wheel that are designed for Cybertrucks and other EV's. They are made here in the US, fully forged and very expensive but very cool looking.

My guess? SV709. Why? Because they were the most unique and with a polished face could be very interesting and not seen on the road.

A close second would be the 5 Spoke wheel with no rib. Those are more common ( the 5 spoke) but the flat rim face changes it a tad.

The final wheels are very interesting and would love to see them on some cars. Are they meant to be sort of an "Aero" wheel for EV?

 

[markboris]

My guess? SV709. Why? Because they were the most unique and with a polished face could be very interesting and not seen on the road.

A close second would be the 5 Spoke wheel with no rib. Those are more common ( the 5 spoke) but the flat rim face changes it a tad.

The final wheels are very interesting and would love to see them on some cars. Are they meant to be sort of an "Aero" wheel for EV?

I have the same thoughts as you with the 709’s. I’m going to give this a few days until I post what I ended up with.

Yes those off road type wheels are aero designed for EV’s. I believe they are the first ones like that that are fully forged. They weigh around 25 lbs for a 20” version which is much lighter than say the ones that come on the Rally Mach-E if they are anything like everything else out there with that design.

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