Ev community must stick together. The gassers are sick in the head

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I rode my bicycle everywhere when I was young and single, even when it was 100+, I have lived in the Austin area for 32 years. I owned a 60s house in an up and coming area with a lot of younger folks and most everything I needed was within a 15 minute bike ride away.

But when you get older and married and have a family, and move to the suburbs, it's just not so practical. Things are far apart where I live and the wife and the kid don't really want to have to ride bicycles places. lol.

Maybe if we moved back to my native Oregon, but then there is the cold and rain in the wintertime, it's not really more pleasant than riding when it's 100 out. Although the overall percentage of time you could ride a bike to work is probably higher in Western Oregon than here in Central Texas. But, whatever.

Suffice it to say that I am open to riding, walking and using public transportation. I'm just not really in the season of life for doing it. If you want to send your kids to top flight public schools, it pretty much dictates living somewhere that is car bound, if you live in the US.
I definitely agree on “why not a bicycle.” But keep in mind that people will use similar justification for “why not an EV.”
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I am in the same boat with you regarding vehicles and thoughts on both sides of the equation. So are we half - good or half - bad or half - a$$ed? Then again maybe just right?
Another point I failed to make is regarding nuclear power. According to polling data, conservatives are significantly more in favor of nuclear power plants. Ironically many liberals are against nuclear energy. The EV revolution would take off if everyone could power their car from nuclear energy. Also, another underrated aspect of EV’s is noise pollution. Imagine how much quieter cities and neighborhoods would be if all cars on the road were as quiet as an EV. Living on a busy street wouldn’t be too bad.
 

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Another point I failed to make is regarding nuclear power. According to polling data, conservatives are significantly more in favor of nuclear power plants. Ironically many liberals are against nuclear energy. The EV revolution would take off if everyone could power their car from nuclear energy. Also, another underrated aspect of EV’s is noise pollution. Imagine how much quieter cities and neighborhoods would be if all cars on the road were as quiet as an EV. Living on a busy street wouldn’t be too bad.
Too true about nukes - we took a wrong turn when we stopped building them in my opinion. Nuclear, wind, solar, hydro with NG peaking would be a fantastic energy mix.
 

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Too true about nukes - we took a wrong turn when we stopped building them in my opinion. Nuclear, wind, solar, hydro with NG peaking would be a fantastic energy mix.
We haven’t stopped building them. Two new reactors just came online in Georgia In 2023 and 2024. Prior to that, one came online in 2016 In Tennesse. Ironically that one, Watts Bar #2, originally started being built in 1973, work was suspended in 1985, and restarted in 2007.

NRC has approved a bunch of new reactors.
 

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We haven’t stopped building them. Two new reactors just came online in Georgia In 2023 and 2024. Prior to that, one came online in 2016 In Tennesse. Ironically that one, Watts Bar #2, originally started being built in 1973, work was suspended in 1985, and restarted in 2007.

NRC has approved a bunch of new reactors.
We did not stop but there was a hiatus. We could have had all coal off-line many years ago.
 


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Ah yes….the infernal noise level of ICE machines going up and down our road in the wee hours is really ticking me off.
Especially the clowns who add options to their “look at me” toys to create louder and louder sounds. But jerks will be jerks and if they owned EV’s they would still figure out ways to annoy the world in their pursuit of attention.
 

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Ah yes….the infernal noise level of ICE machines going up and down our road in the wee hours is really ticking me off.
Especially the clowns who add options to their “look at me” toys to create louder and louder sounds. But jerks will be jerks and if they owned EV’s they would still figure out ways to annoy the world in their pursuit of attention.
Indeed! Like a gazillion watts pouring into their subwoofers, enough to trigger seismographs...
 

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Ah yes….the infernal noise level of ICE machines going up and down our road in the wee hours is really ticking me off.
Especially the clowns who add options to their “look at me” toys to create louder and louder sounds. But jerks will be jerks and if they owned EV’s they would still figure out ways to annoy the world in their pursuit of attention.
I always joke with my wife when we hear a loud ICE car go by, usually driven by an F boy. "Ah there it is, an F Boy in heaven just got his wings."
 

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Don’t rely on the ideology of a gasser aka Petro heads. They don’t know what it feels to not pump $100 into their tank every week and you won’t convince them that they don’t need to go 400 miles every day Autoparts & Big O are convincing them. They need lifetime parts ie alternator, starter water, pumps, hoses clamps they was born that way.
In my estimation, the long-term cost of pumping the CO2 from a gallon of gas into the atmosphere is probably upwards of $6/gal. That's the cost of taking the CO2 out, because the long term cost of all cell based life vanishing from the planet is incalculable. It's possible those costs will come down with scale, but it's also possible they will go up - depends on how the at scale tech might work.

If you added $6/gal, the "gassers" would first of all mount the barricades, but if it went through somehow, EVs would be up against Hydrogen (which is currently very heavy in carbon-to-air but doesn't have to be), and perhaps closed-loop diesel (100% plants taking carbon out of the air), or an eventual bio or catalytic chemistry yet imagined that converts the CO2 and keeps it in a sludge tank in the car for emptying.

I am so tired of these cost arguments when the "tragedy of the commons" is afoot.
 

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Another point I failed to make is regarding nuclear power. According to polling data, conservatives are significantly more in favor of nuclear power plants. Ironically many liberals are against nuclear energy. The EV revolution would take off if everyone could power their car from nuclear energy. Also, another underrated aspect of EV’s is noise pollution. Imagine how much quieter cities and neighborhoods would be if all cars on the road were as quiet as an EV. Living on a busy street wouldn’t be too bad.
Liberals are split on the issue. The ecologically minded boomers who went through the 60's and 70's are far more uniformly anti-nuke than younger ecologically conscious, who are focused on climate change. But agree fully.

An interesting case is Bill Gates (who appears to be generally politically liberal) and Elon Musk (now decidedly conservative) who are both strongly pro-nuke. Both are "progressives" in the sense of wanting technical progress for humanity, but end up on different sides of america's political spectrum.

Liberals contain both a pro-tech progressive element, and an anti-tech more conservative element - again based more primarily on the influence of the 50's / 60's boomer distrust of how nuclear was run in the past. It's hard to give up the ideas you were raised on.

I had a conversation with a number of people in that cohort, and they all raised "electricity transport has 30% loss", which home "natural" gas doesn't, and we have to figure in that loss when we're considering technology. I was unable to track down where that number even came from - but the current number for grid loss is around 3%. Yet everyone of that generation believed it, and me telling them the number was 3% didn't change their minds (hopefully some went and did their own research).

Ah, humans.
 

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We haven’t stopped building them. Two new reactors just came online in Georgia In 2023 and 2024. Prior to that, one came online in 2016 In Tennesse. Ironically that one, Watts Bar #2, originally started being built in 1973, work was suspended in 1985, and restarted in 2007.

NRC has approved a bunch of new reactors.
Talk here in PA about restarting the TMI unit that wasn't impacted by the accident in 1979. It operated until 2019 when the power company said it wasn't worth it anymore. Feds may kick in a billion or so to help with the restart.
 

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