Miles at 90%? Battery degradation?

[dbsb3233]

Here is what is really odd about "another GOM" thread:

ICE car owners have had a GOM for decades: Distance to empty.
It never bothered them at all. You always knew it was an estimate, and based upon driving conditions (how you drove, city/hwy, hills, etc)

.......bot now the GOM is blowing a new EV buyers mind?!?!?!?

Same as it ever was.

Because range doesn't matter in a gas vehicle (very little, anyway). You can typically go twice as far (especially at highway speeds), there's gas stations everywhere, and it takes 3 minutes to fill up.

But it does matter in an EV. Very much, because those important factors are far more limiting.

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[moog]

Because range doesn't matter in a gas vehicle (very little, anyway). You can typically go twice as far (especially at highway speeds), there's gas stations everywhere, and it takes 3 minutes to fill up.

But it does matter in an EV. Very much, because those important factors are far more limiting.

Don't think this is the case at all.
If you had major range anxiety then you don't buy an EV.

EV buyers in general don't plunk down their $$ while at the same time have major range anxiety.
That would be an anomaly.

It's more of new EV buyers thinking that what is stated on the sticker is what they will get EVERY time they charge to 100%. And what they will get regardless of how they drive or the conditions.
It's as if EV range on the sticker is magical. As if it was somehow different from ICE mpg numbers on the sticker.

ICE engines and EV motors are the same in that they will vary on conditions.
The conditions will have some differences, but they will vary.

 

[AliRafiee]

Because range doesn't matter in a gas vehicle (very little, anyway). You can typically go twice as far (especially at highway speeds), there's gas stations everywhere, and it takes 3 minutes to fill up.

But it does matter in an EV. Very much, because those important factors are far more limiting.

I’m not sure that really applies here.
People usually complain that the range is below advertised and not, I’m taking a trip and I’m worried I can’t make the charger because of the 20 mile loss in range.

 

[Sikkun]

Range matters on a trip more than gas, sure.

But here we get daily threads because an estimate at 90% slightly changed despite people not driving it down low enough to need to worry about charging anyway.

 

[dbsb3233]

Don't think this is the case at all.
If you had major range anxiety then you don't buy an EV.

EV buyers in general don't plunk down their $$ while at the same time have major range anxiety.
That would be an anomaly.

It's more of new EV buyers thinking that what is stated on the sticker is what they will get EVERY time they charge to 100%. And what they will get regardless of how they drive or the conditions.
It's as if EV range on the sticker is magical. As if it was somehow different from ICE mpg numbers on the sticker.

ICE engines and EV motors are the same in that they will vary on conditions.
The conditions will have some differences, but they will vary.

Range anxiety is not an all-or-nothing thing. Every EV driver in the US has at least some range anxiety relative to gas, initially anyway. And for good reason. The car has to be refueled twice as often, DCFC is spotty and sometimes scarce, sometimes broken, sometimes de-rated, limited to certain routes, sometimes tricky to use and pay for on different networks, many different power levels, takes 20-40 minutes, and so on. Similar issues for hotel L2.

I road trip mine way more than most (nearly 50,000 road trip miles across 30 states now). We love road tripping ours. BUT, there's no question that even with all that experience it's WAY more limiting, time-consuming, and planning-necessary than a gas vehicle. Gas is literally just "hop in the car and go" with no thoughts about refueling along the way. While road-tripping an EV (especially a CCS EV) is more like filing a flight plan.

As such, EV range is a FAR bigger factor than it is in ICE. Like night and day different.

Now, do some newbies not realize that the GOM will vary? Sure. But that's a whole different thing than WHY they care about range so much more in an EV than an ICE. And validly so.

 

[dbsb3233]

I’m not sure that really applies here.
People usually complain that the range is below advertised and not, I’m taking a trip and I’m worried I can’t make the charger because of the 20 mile loss in range.

Well, sure, they don't like to think they're getting shorted either. But that's not really the issue IMO. The issue is about WHY range matters in the first place. Having to refuel sooner than expected matters for refueling cost, for time and convenience, and most especially for not getting stranded on a long trip.

 

[superdave80]

 

[4sallypat]

Well, sure, they don't like to think they're getting shorted either. But that's not really the issue IMO. The issue is about WHY range matters in the first place. Having to refuel sooner than expected matters for refueling cost, for time and convenience, and most especially for not getting stranded on a long trip.

Well said and agreed!

That's why I always "Fill er up" every time - charge to 100% on L2 all the time and whenever I take road trips charging on L3 to 100%.

Never believed in short changing my "fuel tank" because you never know when you may need those extra miles....

 

[Alutacon]

Guess O Meter is just a guess - don't put too much stock in those numbers.

My guess o meter has never failed me.

 

[dbsb3233]

My guess o meter has never failed me.

If the measure for "failed" is "left me stranded", mine hasn't either. But that's only because I apply 10x the planning and attention to it as I do our gas vehicle.

If I just treated it like our gas vehicle, I'd probably still be sitting on the side of the road somewhere.

 

[Maquis]

My guess o meter has never failed me.

Mine has never failed me, either. Only because I don’t rely on it, not because of its accuracy.

 

[kindofblue]

Well said and agreed!

That's why I always "Fill er up" every time - charge to 100% on L2 all the time and whenever I take road trips charging on L3 to 100%.

Never believed in short changing my "fuel tank" because you never know when you may need those extra miles....

Always charging to 100% will degrade your HVB compared to charging it to 90% unless you're headed out on a road trip. Hence Ford's recommendation of 90%.

 

[HuntingPudel]

Mine has never failed me, either. Only because I don’t rely on it, not because of its accuracy.

LOL I just ignore mine. I just look at the fuel gauge like I do in the Blazer or in the T/A. I just get fuel when I feel like I need some based on proximity to refueling stations and my current efficiency/driving style. ??

 

[ipca204]

Here is what is really odd about "another GOM" thread:

ICE car owners have had a GOM for decades: Distance to empty.
It never bothered them at all. You always knew it was an estimate, and based upon driving conditions (how you drove, city/hwy, hills, etc)

.......bot now the GOM is blowing a new EV buyers mind?!?!?!?

Same as it ever was.

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[Maquis]

LOL I just ignore mine. I just look at the fuel gauge like I do in the Blazer or in the T/A. I just get fuel when I feel like I need some based on proximity to refueling stations and my current efficiency/driving style. ??

Exactly!

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