No Ventilated Seats on MY25 GT? WTF (What The Ford) 😡

[Kamuelaflyer]

The interior power lift gate switch was removed on the 2024 models (I think - might have been 2023, but I think it’s 2024). Someone check me on that. ?‍?

I’ve seen a report on that. I’m a bit confused though, how do you open the liftgate then? Precisely which switch are we talking about?

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[azerik]

WHAT?! The door presenters have been removed? That’s insane!

Honestly I could live with that. I am pulling my handle usually before the presenter even starts. So I get the 'crack, ehhhhhh, wobble wobble wobble' door opening. The majority of the time. (some of that might be the driver mirror unfolding/failing adding to the usual noise of this door)

 

[Neil4Real]

I notice things like that. ?

Three more changes I added to my previous list:
The front driver and passenger doors no longer have door lock actuators (doors aren't pushed open), interior power liftgate switch (on liftgate trim panel) was removed, and no noise insulation padding on the inside of any of the door panels.

Wow, I like that the doors pop open. I originally hated the button when I first looked at the MME and then realized how handy it was when my hands are full and I could get my foot under the door since it popped open. No insulation stinks, since they already removed the acoustic glass. Dang, really doing the nickel and dime thing now, I guess.

 

[markboris]

I’ve seen a report on that. I’m a bit confused though, how do you open the liftgate then? Precisely which switch are we talking about?

There are (were) two switches on the liftgate. One on the outside with a protective rubber cover for weather (the one just above the license plate) and the inside lighted one that you only see once the liftgate is open. That inside switch is no longer there. There is now a plastic cover in its place. That can pose two problems with some people. One, the inside switch was lower and at a different angle allowing a shorter person to access the switch if the liftgate was set to go up to it's full extent and two, there is no longer a lighted switch so and difficult to hit that outside rubber switch in the dark. So, what I did, was order the deleted inside switch and reinstalled it.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

Wow, I like that the doors pop open. I originally hated the button when I first looked at the MME and then realized how handy it was when my hands are full and I could get my foot under the door since it popped open. No insulation stinks, since they already removed the acoustic glass. Dang, really doing the nickel and dime thing now, I guess.

Well someone could dust off the 2021 thread on adding insulation to the car doors and update it for 2025 but, honestly, the difference is in 21 they wanted even more quiet but now it’ll be necessary. That’s not right.

There are (were) two switches on the liftgate. One on the outside with a protective rubber cover for weather (the one just above the license plate) and the inside lighted one that you only see once the liftgate is open. That inside switch is no longer there. There is now a plastic cover in its place. That can pose two problems with some people. One, the inside switch was lower and at a different angle allowing a shorter person to access the switch if the liftgate was set to go up to it's full extent and two, there is no longer a lighted switch so and difficult to hit that outside rubber switch in the dark. So, what I did, was order the deleted inside switch and reinstalled it.

Ok thanks for explaining it to my caffeine deprived brain. That’s not as bad but still a downgrade.

 

[HuntingPudel]

Honestly I could live with that. I am pulling my handle usually before the presenter even starts. So I get the 'crack, ehhhhhh, wobble wobble wobble' door opening. The majority of the time. (some of that might be the driver mirror unfolding/failing adding to the usual noise of this door)

The presenters have a higher pitched whine than the mirrors. I generally hear the lower pitched whine, then the door latch, then the higher pitched whine. Since the front doors come equipped with pulls, I guess it not a big deal to delete the front door presenters. We still need rear door presenters or at least popper solenoids because of the lack of exterior pulls on the rear doors. ?‍?

 

[markboris]

Wow, I like that the doors pop open. I originally hated the button when I first looked at the Mach-E and then realized how handy it was when my hands are full and I could get my foot under the door since it popped open. No insulation stinks, since they already removed the acoustic glass. Dang, really doing the nickel and dime thing now, I guess.

Yes, those front doors barely pop open now so doubt you could open it with your foot.

And while I'm talking about door panels, besides no sound insulation, there is the wiring.

On the '21-'23's, the door panels had a wiring loom that went to the various areas like window switches, door lock button, ambient lighting and they all went down to a single connector. Super easy to disconnect the door panel when removing as you only had to disconnect one plug. Now, those various wires are all separate on the door itself and you have to remove them off the door panel individually. I guess it is cheaper to build this way.

'21-'23 door panel

'24 and most likely '25 door panel

 

[jdsimard2012]

And I for one love the cloth! (Also little need for cooling)

I've had the Premium and the GTPE and I prefer the GT seats for overall comfort (just my opinion).

 

[markboris]

The presenters have a higher pitched whine than the mirrors. I generally hear the lower pitched whine, then the door latch, then the higher pitched whine. Since the front doors come equipped with pulls, I guess it not a big deal to delete the front door presenters. We still need rear door presenters or at least popper solenoids because of the lack of exterior pulls on the rear doors. ?‍?

There is really no need for the door lock actuators (Ford does not call them presenters) in the front doors because they were designed to open with the handle. The rears do need them since there are no handles and you have to open them up by grabbing the inside of the door.

 

[Jimrpa]

Well someone could dust off the 2021 thread on adding insulation to the car doors and update it for 2025 but, honestly, the difference is in 21 they wanted even more quiet but now it’ll be necessary. That’s not right.



Ok thanks for explaining it to my caffeine deprived brain. That’s not as bad but still a downgrade.

Remember also that they removed the acoustic (SoundScreen) glass.

Oh, and here’s one that I’m sure YOU will find particularly annoying - they’ve removed the windshield wiper defroster (basically a mini-electric grid where the wipers park so that they don’t ice up).

This “death by decontenting” is sadly, something that is baked into Ford’s DNA for as long as I can remember, and it’s also something that infects (to a lesser extent) Lincoln. It’s really my biggest gripe with Ford. For some reason, Ford takes the lazy approach to cost reduction and removes features or trim bits they don’t think will be noticed, slowly, over time, and the result is their products in successive model years become less “premium” and more “cheap”.

I’d hoped that Ford would change that behavior with the Mustang Mach-E, but I guess not ?

The best year to buy a Ford vehicle is within 1-2 model years of launch. After that, you’re getting something that’s stripped down.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

This “death by decontenting” is sadly, something that is baked into Ford’s DNA for as long as I can remember, and it’s also something that infects (to a lesser extent) Lincoln. It’s really my biggest gripe with Ford. For some reason, Ford takes the lazy approach to cost reduction and removes features or trim bits they don’t think will be noticed, slowly, over time, and the result is their products in successive model years become less “premium” and more “cheap”

Cost cutting will always start with the low hanging fruit. It’s easy and somewhat surprisingly it adds up in a hurry.

The alternative is to find the “home run” changes. Those take longer to find, longer to implement and may come about too late without the earlier “singles” decontenting moves.

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t like decontenting in the slightest. I’d love to see an option as part of a luxury package that adds some of this stuff back, but that also might mean additional expenditures rather than cost savings.

 

[McSquashy]

This may sound like a dumb question, but how do the doors work now if there's no actuators to crack them open?

Also, it really sucks when auto manufacturers remove features and/or materials, like sound deading, to save a few bucks. I understand that a few bucks multiplied by thousands of vehicles over several years adds up, but there's gotta be a better alternative to cheapening the ownership experience for consumers.

 

[markboris]

This may sound like a dumb question, but how do the doors work now if there's no actuators to crack them open?

Also, it really sucks when auto manufacturers remove features and/or materials, like sound deading, to save a few bucks. I understand that a few bucks multiplied by thousands of vehicles over several years adds up, but there's gotta be a better alternative to cheapening the ownership experience for consumers.

The front doors pop open because there is enough pressure when they are latched up against the rubber door seals.

Not sure if the sound insulation behind the door panels actually did much since the window regulator completely seals the door from any inner noise coming into the door panel area. That said, I added insulation back in that area when I sound deadened the inner parts of the doors.

 

[markboris]

Remember also that they removed the acoustic (SoundScreen) glass.

The windshield's are still acoustic (SoundScreen) glass at least through the '24 model year. Not sure what they are doing yet for '25's but I would hope they keep that glass as it really does quiet down the wind and road noise from coming through the windshield.

The front driver and passenger windows in the lower trims were changed from a "Laminated" (SoundScreen) to "Tempered" (non-SoundScreen) I think back in '22 or '23 but I really don't remember. They are still Laminated (SoundScreen) in the Premium and GT models for '24. If one wanted to replace the front doors with SoundScreen windows, OEM price is around $350 but you can get them on eBay used in near perfect shape for around $200. Just make sure it has the word "Laminated" instead of "Tempered". The rear door windows were never SoundScreen.

 

[buzznwood]

Cost cutting will always start with the low hanging fruit. It’s easy and somewhat surprisingly it adds up in a hurry.

The alternative is to find the “home run” changes. Those take longer to find, longer to implement and may come about too late without the earlier “singles” decontenting moves.

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t like decontenting in the slightest. I’d love to see an option as part of a luxury package that adds some of this stuff back, but that also might mean additional expenditures rather than cost savings.

On rare occasions in the past Ford would cost cut via simplification and unify features across trim levels which would result in more features becoming standard across trims and negate the need for so many part combinations and save that way, this would results in a mid life update actually being an improvement.

This mentality at ford is very rare appears to be long gone, all you tend to get now is decontenting followed by letting models wither and die on the vine compared the competition, rather than address the issues higher ups instead hand wave about how you can't make money in vehicle sector x give up in that space and try in another only to repeat the process.

As others have said, you just have to get in early and put up with all the potential teething issues (HVBJB) For those new to the mach-e and getting a 2025 model it will be fine but anyone coming from an earlier model, the updates are not enough to mask the odor of bean counter.

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