EVs are more likely to sustain rear-end damage

[tfitzgex]

I can attest to this article…. Guy in a 2012 Subaru smacked up my car just this past week. initial estimates are 5800 in damage without disassembly.

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[B25Nut]

My dad taught me to have one car length distance for every 10 mph that I'm driving. Every day I see dozens of drivers with one car length between them and the vehicle in front of them at 75 mph.

 

[TheVirtualTim]

One thing I was wondering about, do the brake lights go on when you use 1 pedal and take foot off the pedal? I assume they must but have no way to check. ?

They do on the Mach-E … but not on all EV’s. When I have a bike carrier attached I can see the brake lights on the bikes at night.

But I think Kia doesn’t light up unless the car comes to a complete stop … and that “technically” complies with NHTSA rules which were created before the concept of 1-pedal existed. The NHTSA rules say the brake lights have to illuminate if the car is stopped or if you put your foot on the brake. And since you don’t technically put your foot on the brake … their EV’s don’t activate the brake lights and the people behind may not realize you are rapidly slowing down.

 

[curtisfinney]

I keep using the screen wash especially if a pristine new sporty car behind, they usually move back as they don't want dried screen wash on the paintwork. Works especially well with open topped sports cars. ( This is only if there is slower traffic in the left lane and I can't pull over due to the amount of traffic nose to tail). Bear in mind this is UK driving and we drive on the left.

I’ve never heard that term before, but I also hit the windshield wash when people tailgate. It’s pretty effective.

 

[Sikkun]

The amount of cars in the survey with the small % difference they are reporting probably falls within margin of error anyway.

But EVs more bad at something is a better headline.

 

[EasyPass]

This reminds me of circumstance near my home. At the entrance/exit of my housing plan there is an intersection with a hilly, two lane blacktop, through way, that cuts across my entrance and the one on the other side of the intersection. The through way has no stop signs but both entrances/exits do have them, even though it is difficult to see oncoming vehicles due to the hills.

I collected nearly 300 signatures petitioning the state maintained road to install two more stop signs on the other corners. When I raised the issue with the local municipal traffic engineer I was told that the state will not acquiesce to the request due to concern that someone might run a stop sign on the state maintained road and that might make the state liable for damages cause by an accident.
#CantMakeThisShitUp
#PersonalResponsibility
#SMH

 

[ThomF]

I know this expands the subject somewhat, by my concern is overall passenger safety.
How safe are EVS, and in particularly our Mache's?

I found the following article posted on November 14, 2024, entitled "Tesla tops list of brands with highest fatal accident rate in new study"

I'm quoting part of the article:

The Hyundai Venue compact SUV topped iSeeCars’ review of National Highway Traffic Safety Administration Fatality Analysis Reporting System data for most dangerous cars, while Tesla topped its list of most dangerous car brands.​

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“New cars are safer than they’ve ever been,” iSeeCars Executive Analyst Karl Brauer said in a statement. “Between advanced chassis design and driver assist technology, today’s cars provide excellent occupant protection. But these features are being countered by distracted driving and higher rates of speed, leading to rising accident and death rates in recent years.”​

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The Chevrolet Corvette, Mitsubishi Mirage, Porsche 911 and Honda CR-V Hybrid rounded out the top five vehicles with the highest fatal accident rate, all of which exceeded the overall average by at least 450%. The Tesla Model Y and Model S ranked 6th and 21st, with fatal crash rates that are 370% and 200% higher than average.​

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Kia, Buick, Dodge and Hyundai rounded out the top five automakers with the most frequent occupant fatalities.​

As you'll note, Ford isn't mentioned specifically, nor the Mache. I take that as good news. At least our vehicle's features don't appear to be leading to higher fatalities.

It seems amazing that "About 18,720 people died in motor vehicle crashes in the first half of 2024, NHTSA said." That's 36,000 people a year! If that many people died from any other cause, I would think there would be a national outcry.

 

[Sikkun]

That's 36,000 people a year! If that many people died from any other cause, I would think there would be a national outcry.

Price people are willing to pay to avoid any type of public transit expansion.

But Mach E scored very well for safety.
https://www.nhtsa.gov/vehicle/2021/FORD/MUSTANG%2520MACH-E/SUV/RWD#safety-ratings-frontal

Now if an EV makes you drive much faster and dangerously….that they can’t fix.

 

[Strykerwsu]

Another reason I don't use 1PD. From Green Car Reports:
https://www.greencarreports.com/new...t-kinds-of-fender-benders-claims-data-reveals

EVs tend to be newer, meaning they're more likely to have the latest front-collision avoidance tech. The company also cited the "different braking dynamics" of EVs in one-pedal mode, which could cause more rapid deceleration that drivers in following cars aren't prepared for.

Huh, 1 pedal brakes way slower than the brake pedal. Now just like a yahoo that can't drive 2 pedal a 1 pedal yahoo can be just as annoying. Mostly it all is just impatient yahoo tailgaters that are the issue.

 

[Strykerwsu]

I know this expands the subject somewhat, by my concern is overall passenger safety.
How safe are EVS, and in particularly our Mache's?

I found the following article posted on November 14, 2024, entitled "Tesla tops list of brands with highest fatal accident rate in new study"

I'm quoting part of the article:

The Hyundai Venue compact SUV topped iSeeCars’ review of National Highway Traffic Safety Administration Fatality Analysis Reporting System data for most dangerous cars, while Tesla topped its list of most dangerous car brands.​

​

“New cars are safer than they’ve ever been,” iSeeCars Executive Analyst Karl Brauer said in a statement. “Between advanced chassis design and driver assist technology, today’s cars provide excellent occupant protection. But these features are being countered by distracted driving and higher rates of speed, leading to rising accident and death rates in recent years.”​

​

The Chevrolet Corvette, Mitsubishi Mirage, Porsche 911 and Honda CR-V Hybrid rounded out the top five vehicles with the highest fatal accident rate, all of which exceeded the overall average by at least 450%. The Tesla Model Y and Model S ranked 6th and 21st, with fatal crash rates that are 370% and 200% higher than average.​

​

Kia, Buick, Dodge and Hyundai rounded out the top five automakers with the most frequent occupant fatalities.​

As you'll note, Ford isn't mentioned specifically, nor the Mache. I take that as good news. At least our vehicle's features don't appear to be leading to higher fatalities.

It seems amazing that "About 18,720 people died in motor vehicle crashes in the first half of 2024, NHTSA said." That's 36,000 people a year! If that many people died from any other cause, I would think there would be a national outcry.

Yes because no one can get off their phone. #1 addiction in the US. I'm on it at 1 in the morning.

My daily drive at least 25% on are their phone as they pass by Like the studies completed that a drunk driver is at least trying to watch the road. Don't drink or phone, but we know most can't give up one of those.

 

[devmach-e]

My dad taught me to have one car length distance for every 10 mph that I'm driving. Every day I see dozens of drivers with one car length between them and the vehicle in front of them at 75 mph.

That’s from the 70s and is no longer accurate. The correct following distance is 2 or 3 seconds. I.e when the rear bumper of the car passes a fixed point you start counting the number of seconds until the front of your car gets to that point. If it is less than 2 Mississippi’s said out loud, you are following too close. 3 or 4 seconds is better. And those drivers you see following so closely are morons.

 

[devmach-e]

They do on the Mach-E … but not on all EV’s. When I have a bike carrier attached I can see the brake lights on the bikes at night.

But I think Kia doesn’t light up unless the car comes to a complete stop … and that “technically” complies with NHTSA rules which were created before the concept of 1-pedal existed. The NHTSA rules say the brake lights have to illuminate if the car is stopped or if you put your foot on the brake. And since you don’t technically put your foot on the brake … their EV’s don’t activate the brake lights and the people behind may not realize you are rapidly slowing down.

Any EV that implements one-pedal driving should illuminate the brake lights when the braking force exceeds 0.13 Gs. My 2017 Bolt EV did this. What it didn’t do was keep the brake lights on at a stop. A later revision of the car now does that. Apparently Consumer Reports last year discovered that a number of models don’t properly illuminate the brake lights.

https://www.greencarreports.com/new...on-ev-brake-lights-to-communicate-brake-regen

Edited to add: Hyundai/Kia/Genesis responded by issuing a service campaign to update their cars’ software so that the brake lights would illuminate when deceleration hit 0.13 Gs.

 

[Spacey]

I’ve never heard that term before, but I also hit the windshield wash when people tailgate. It’s pretty effective.

I say screen you say windshield, "let's call the whole thing off." (Song line in the quotes)

 

[Mach-Lee]

Any EV that implements one-pedal driving should illuminate the brake lights when the braking force exceeds 0.13 Gs. My 2017 Bolt EV did this. What it didn’t do was keep the brake lights on at a stop. A later revision of the car now does that. Apparently Consumer Reports last year discovered that a number of models don’t properly illuminate the brake lights.

https://www.greencarreports.com/new...on-ev-brake-lights-to-communicate-brake-regen

Edited to add: Hyundai/Kia/Genesis responded by issuing a service campaign to update their cars’ software so that the brake lights would illuminate when deceleration hit 0.13 Gs.

Yeah I think this is the real reason. A lot of EVs didn’t properly illuminate brake light when certain modes were used, and in some cases didn’t illuminate brake lights when stopped. Ford did that right on the Mach-E so the brake lights always come on when they are supposed to.

 

[Space_Pony]

I’ve never heard that term before, but I also hit the windshield wash when people tailgate. It’s pretty effective.

You must go through a lot of washer fluid.

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