2021 GTPE Getting New Tires

[Treebeardz]

So as winter inches closer day by day my need to swap out my stock sport tires increases. I think I'm going with Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4 245 /45 R20 103Y XL BSW. I can get them for about $290 each. If someone has a better recommendation please let me know why you would go with something else. My question is can I get wider tires than the 245 /45 R20 with the rims that came with the 2021 GTPE? I don't know much about tires and I don't know what I risk getting wider tires? I would assume I would lose some range but I don't know how much. I mainly want to get wider tires because I find the front tires always spinning in higher acceleration. I'm guessing wider front and back tires would reduce this and improve 0 to 60 as well. I could be wrong.

Let me know what you think, thanks!

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[markboris]

So as winter inches closer day by day my need to swap out my stock sport tires increases. I think I'm going with Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4 245 /45 R20 103Y XL BSW. I can get them for about $290 each. If someone has a better recommendation please let me know why you would go with something else. My question is can I get wider tires than the 245 /45 R20 with the rims that came with the 2021 GTPE? I don't know much about tires and I don't know what I risk getting wider tires? I would assume I would lose some range but I don't know how much. I mainly want to get wider tires because I find the front tires always spinning in higher acceleration. I'm guessing wider front and back tires would reduce this and improve 0 to 60 as well. I could be wrong.

Let me know what you think, thanks!

First, I want to mention there are over 40 threads on this forum which pertain to tire recommendations. A quick search finds 11 below that are only for the GTPE and there are probably more.

That said, the tire you are thinking of is one of the highest performing all season's on the market. You really can't do any better than the Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4 for performance. In many instances it will out perform some manufactures summer performance tires. The drawback to this tire is that it is one of the least capable in the winter which has given it the name "3 season tire" in many forums. As long as you aren't in extreme cold temps or heavy snow/ice, you should be ok though. Also, it's not the smoothest riding, quietest all season and you will loose some range. These are the tradeoffs for having one of the highest performance all season tire.

Other great recommendations for high performance all seasons are the Continental ExtremeContact DWS 06 Plus, Vredestein Hypertrac All Season, Pirelli Zero AS Plus 3, Pirelli Scorpion Zero All Season. One EV specific high performance all season that several members here are running is the Pirelli P Zero All Season Plus ELECT. Gran Touring all season tires are also very popular on the GTPE. One of the quietest, smoothest riding tire is the Pirelli P7 AS Plus 3. Two tires that are very popular in winter climates that might see more snow/ice than the normal all season are the Michelin CrossClimate 2 and Vredestein Quatrac Pro+. Both are 3 peak severe snow service rated. There is one popular EV specific tire in this grand touring category, the Hankook iON EVO AS SUV.

Your other question was about going with a larger tire on the OEM GTPE wheel and yes it can be done. Only one size up to the 255/45/20. Many here have done this for a slightly wider look and a bit more traction. Not all of the tires above are made in this larger size but there are still quite a few good tires to choose from.

https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/recommendations-on-winter-tires-for-gtpe.23135/

https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/swapping-out-gtpe-summer-tires-for-all-seasons.10578/

https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/gtpe-winter-tires-and-range.22832/

https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/gtpe-all-season-tires.21517/

https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/swapped-my-gtpe-summer-tires.31436/

https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/replace-summer-tires.31055/

https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/gt-performance-edition-winter-tires.9515/

https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/recommendations-on-winter-tires-for-gtpe.23135/

https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/do-we-really-need-winter-tires-for-gtpe.23321/

https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/gtpe-winter-tires-and-range.22832/

https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/tires-for-mustang-mach-e-gtpe.23436/

 

[tuminatr]

Check the threads lots of good info out there.

The only industry information I will add is that as long as you pick one of the best-rated brands, you can't go wrong. The brands with the highest customer satisfaction ratings by the consumer magazine are Pirelli, Continental, Michelin, and Vredestein.

For folks like us who live in the snow belt, there are typically three ways to go.

The GTPE comes with Pirelli UHP summer-only tires these are not rated to be driven below 40 Fahrenheit. These are typically more agile and have noticeably better wet and dry road grip.

Some tires are all-season like the one Mark mentioned Pilot Sport 4 A/S these are good in all conditions. This is the most popular category and it can be tough of as a jack-of-all-trades master of none.

There is a new type of all-season sometimes called all-weather these have added snow traction and typically perform very close to a winter-only tire but like an all-season the rest of the year. They can be identified because they have the winter tire running called Three Peak Mountain Snowflake and unlink a winter tire can be driven all year round without ill effects. Some examples of all-weather would be Michelin Cross Climate 2, Vredestein Quatrac Pro+, and Pirelli Weatheractive Continental does not currently offer an all-weather stateside.

 

[HuntingPudel]

Going from a 245 to a 255 is about a 4% increase in section width. Going to an All-Season from the Summer UHP tire is going to reduce the mechanical traction. Depending on which specific tire you choose, 10mm section width might almost buy you back the loss of mechanical grip that the switch in tire type gets you. ??

Other considerations are that the wider tire is capable of carrying a heavier load at the same pressure and the geometry of the bead to sidewall to shoulder produces a mid-tread bulge so you must run a lower tire pressure (given the rim width remaining constant). This will buy you a somewhat softer ride at the expense of fuel efficiency. I wanted a somewhat stiffer ride and a little more precision on my car so when I went to All-Season UHP tires I increased the section width to 275 and the rim width to 9.5". This allowed me to run an only slightly lower tire pressure than with th4e stock Summer tires and wheels. ??

 

[Treebeardz]

So, after a lot of research I think I'm going with these. They are also not great in the Snow but better than the Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4. The look to give the same performance as them as well but with MUCH better rolling resistance so I don't lose range.

iON evo AS SUV - iON | Hankook Tire US

At 255/45R20, these will fit with no modifications needed? I'd like to go wider but I'm not sure what would be required for this. The problem I'm having is finding a place in the Chicago land area that has them.

 

[tuminatr]

So, after a lot of research I think I'm going with these. They are also not great in the Snow but better than the Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4. The look to give the same performance as them as well but with MUCH better rolling resistance so I don't lose range.

iON evo AS SUV - iON | Hankook Tire US

At 255/45R20, these will fit with no modifications needed? I'd like to go wider but I'm not sure what would be required for this. The problem I'm having is finding a place in the Chicago land area that has them.

The Hankooks will be very similar to the tires that come on the premium. Expect less of a performance / handling tire. Also a big difference is they way they will perform in the wet they are a downgrade from the factory Michelin Primacy tires in that respect. For a GTPE these could actually increase your range.

At 255 they will fit the factory wheels. I would not go wider unless you buy a new set of wheels. Sounds to me like range is a big deal to you and wheels can have as big of an effect on range as tires so I wouldn't change. However, you could do a 20x9 +35 to +45 and 275/40/20

 

[ack154]

There is a new type of all-season sometimes called all-weather these have added snow traction and typically perform very close to a winter-only tire but like an all-season the rest of the year. They can be identified because they have the winter tire running called Three Peak Mountain Snowflake and unlink a winter tire can be driven all year round without ill effects. Some examples of all-weather would be Michelin Cross Climate 2, Vredestein Quatrac Pro+, and Pirelli Weatheractive Continental does not currently offer an all-weather stateside.

Just a note that you'll see this specific detail on Tire Rack as "Severe Snow Service Rated". It'll be listed on the tire detail and you can filter on it when browsing tires. Though from a quick glance, I think you're only going to find these on the "grand touring" all season tires. Basically, you can choose between performance or severe snow ratings... which kind of makes sense.

 

[tuminatr]

Just a note that you'll see this specific detail on Tire Rack as "Severe Snow Service Rated". It'll be listed on the tire detail and you can filter on it when browsing tires. Though from a quick glance, I think you're only going to find these on the "grand touring" all season tires. Basically, you can choose between performance or severe snow ratings... which kind of makes sense.

That's a tire rack thing they don't recognize all weather as a separate category. So if you are shopping there you are correct it's all season with TPMSF.

And when it comes to performance I can only speak to what I have driven the Quatrac Pro+ that I bought is not as agile as the factory Pirelli summer tire but it's close. It's also wayyyyy better in the wet and snow. And more efficient than the factory Pirelli summer Tire.

 

[Mike G]

My original PZeros didn't even make it to 10K.

I got these today $216 each at my dealer.

Falken Azenis FK460 A/S Silent Core

Great in the dry and the wet, but so-so in the snow (which I see once a year). They are an Ultra High Performance All Season tire.

Now all I have to do is fill out the form and send in proof of purchase to get the $150 rebate back....

At least these are tires that I can drive around when temps get below 45F/7C without worrying about getting cracks.

Oh, and these things are so quiet I didn't even hear myself come home.

There is a version of the FK460 without the silent core. It's a little cheaper but it's worth it to me to get the version with the sound deadening core foam.

 

[Treebeardz]

So, there seems to be a different version of these that is also rated "All season" but leans more on the performance side? Would these tires be a better choice for performance and range? This is what tire rack is recommending with their "Treadwell" tool.

Hankook iON evo 245 /45 R20 103Y XL BSW | Discount Tire

I would just go with the 255 version of this tire

I live in near Chicago and some Winters can be rough but for the most part we get maybe one or two good snows per season. At the end of the day, I'm looking for something that is going to give me "better" performance in warming weather or just as good as the Stock GTPE tires. But I want them to be usable during the colder winter months.

 

[HuntingPudel]

Those 255s are as big as you can go on the stock wheels. They will fit a stock MME GT. Possible issue if the car is lowered. I went with 9.5” who’s to fit 275s. ??

 

[OGA]

So as winter inches closer day by day my need to swap out my stock sport tires increases. I think I'm going with Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4 245 /45 R20 103Y XL BSW. I can get them for about $290 each. If someone has a better recommendation please let me know why you would go with something else. My question is can I get wider tires than the 245 /45 R20 with the rims that came with the 2021 GTPE? I don't know much about tires and I don't know what I risk getting wider tires? I would assume I would lose some range but I don't know how much. I mainly want to get wider tires because I find the front tires always spinning in higher acceleration. I'm guessing wider front and back tires would reduce this and improve 0 to 60 as well. I could be wrong.

Let me know what you think, thanks!

I have the new Nokian Hakkapelita R5 EV installed on my GTPE, these are winter tires specifically designed for EV's. In my experience in Michigan winters Nokian are the best winter tires period.

 

[Wallie]

My original PZeros didn't even make it to 10K.

I got these today $216 each at my dealer.

Falken Azenis FK460 A/S Silent Core

Great in the dry and the wet, but so-so in the snow (which I see once a year). They are an Ultra High Performance All Season tire.

Now all I have to do is fill out the form and send in proof of purchase to get the $150 rebate back....

At least these are tires that I can drive around when temps get below 45F/7C without worrying about getting cracks.

Oh, and these things are so quiet I didn't even hear myself come home.

There is a version of the FK460 without the silent core. It's a little cheaper but it's worth it to me to get the version with the sound deadening core foam.

Pirelli’s melt like snow on a hot summer day. Great traction though.

 

[tuminatr]

I have the new Nokian Hakkapelita R5 EV installed on my GTPE, these are winter tires specifically designed for EV's. In my experience in Michigan winters Nokian are the best winter tires period.

if they don't plow where you live Nokians are great. If you live in the city there are better choices

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