EVs don't need to charge as quickly as gas cars fill up, US consumers say

[david_quick]

What is A&W? Is that like a Wawas or Sheetz?

What’s Wawas and Sheetz? Never heard of those.?

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[DeusEx]

What’s Wawas and Sheetz? Never heard of those.?

Large convenience stores with amenities that I have heard about but never visited. Lol. These don't exist in the NYC area.

 

[Fremont Kid]

Not necessarily though — many condos can easily install a few networked L2s nowadays if approached by a unitholder. And some landlords might be willing to install them as an amenity that provides extra revenue, much like a laundry room in an apartment block. But, I agree in principle. In my opinion, the best emphasis in public policy right now would be incentives to have L2s installed in multiunit dwellings.

Agree. Out of interest I took an hour to locate chargers other than the DCFCs that I knew. I was surprised to find L2 chargers located at three separate Apartment/Condo complexes.

 

[charliec]

Who stands around in the rain or cold wind while charging? I can always go sit in my car with the heat or air conditioning running, depending on the season, or I can go inside the store to take a potty break or get something to eat or drink. I feel sorry for those who have to stand there and pump gas into their car out in the weather for five minutes or so.

 

[DeusEx]

Who stands around in the rain or cold wind while charging? I can always go sit in my car with the heat or air conditioning running, depending on the season, or I can go inside the store to take a potty break or get something to eat or drink. I feel sorry for those who have to stand there and pump gas into their car out in the weather for five minutes or so.

You still have to get out of the car to plug in. Also every bit of electricity you use to keep the cabin warm also adds to the time you have to stay at the station.

 

[david_quick]

Large convenience stores with amenities that I have heard about but never visited. Lol. These don't exist in the NYC area.

Or the west coast

 

[highland58]

What is A&W? Is that like a Wawas or Sheetz?

I must be getting old, this is how I remember A&W.

 

[Sikkun]

Large convenience stores with amenities that I have heard about but never visited. Lol. These don't exist in the NYC area.

Sheetz at least is generally just a gas station…not like a crazy one like Buckee’s.

Just drive a little over an hour outside of the city . Pretty much the main gas station on my drives across PA.

 

[Thunderbuck]

Clearly most respondents haven’t taken long, multi-day trips.

When new DCFCs opened up on the Alaska Highway last September, I decided to drive about 2,000km from my home in Whitehorse to Vancouver. I knew the road well because I used to drive semi on the same route with a partner. We'd do it in about 36 hours, keeping the wheels turning almost constantly.

With my Mach-E, I did it in 37, even with several of the chargers being relatively slow 50kW DCFCs. My advice? Plan the stops you would take anyway around charging. This is getting easier and easier to do as more chargers open up in more locations. Bio-breaks, coffee refills, meals, even naps I incorporated into my charging stops. Worked great.

I get that ideally it would be amazing to have 10 minute full refills, but slow charging isn't the curse you might think either.

 

[GreaseMonkey]

Not necessarily though — many condos can easily install a few networked L2s nowadays if approached by a unitholder. And some landlords might be willing to install them as an amenity that provides extra revenue, much like a laundry room in an apartment block. But, I agree in principle. In my opinion, the best emphasis in public policy right now would be incentives to have L2s installed in multiunit dwellings.

Yes. But HOAs directors are lowlifes with nothing better to do. They are notorious for abusing their authority.

We had a multi year bloody battle to install one lowly universal L2 charger. I sourced the whole project for them. They ended up using a contractor at twice the cost who installed inferior components that derated the charger and failed to file for EVSE rebate by local utility. Instead of $2,000 the project ended up costing $8,000.

The end result is that I pay 40 c/kWh when my cost at my condo is 8. We are selling and moving on.

 

[Art]

EVs don't need to charge as quickly as gas cars fill up, US consumers say

STEPHEN EDELSTEIN JANUARY 7, 2025 184 COMMENTS

• 77% of Americans indicated they'd wait up to 40 minutes for a charge to 80%
• Many current EVs meet that timeframe already
• More consumers prefer dedicated charging stations vs. gas stations with chargers

Long charging times and lack of available public charging stations have been cited as major roadblocks to EV adoption in countless studies and surveys, but a new survey of U.S. consumers conducted by Deloitte indicates that attitudes may be changing.
While it included about 31,000 responses from thirty different countries, the survey found that charge times may be what analysts called a "softening barrier" for U.S. consumers and EV adoption, with many appearing less interested in speeding up EV charging to match gasoline fill-ups. Of U.S. consumer surveyed, 77% said they were willing to wait up to 40 minutes to charge their car from zero to 80%—well within the DC fast-charging envelope of many current EVs.


Gravity EV charging center in New York City
While respondents said that fast-charging time was the most important part of the EV charging experience, a majority were able to wait 21-40 minutes for a charge. The location was also important, with 44% of respondents saying they preferred a dedicated EV charging station to a gas station with chargers, while only 15% preferred the opposite.

The study also underscored that many EV drivers don't require frequent fast charging. Most (79%) of U.S. respondents intending to buy an EV said they planned to charge at home. That's a figure close to what various studied have found for years—although 58% of the overall survey sample said they do not currently have access to a charger, which begs for more details. And 35% of U.S. consumers surveyed said they drive more than 60 miles from their home only once or twice per month, while a further 23% said they never go that far.


General Motors and ChargePoint EV fast charging
This paints a different picture than a Deloitte study published about a year ago, which concluded that EV charge times and cost could be holding shoppers back. Two years earlier, another Deloitte study found that two-thirds of Americans didn't want an EV, primarily due to range and cost concerns.

If this study's conclusions are accurate, though, EVs are set to exceed consumer expectations. The list of vehicles with especially short road-trip charge times is growing, and several companies, including Toyota, have teased that 10-minute charge times may be around the corner—potentially involving solid-state batteries.

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1145442_evs-charge-gas-cars-fill-up-us-consumers

EVs don't need to charge as quickly as gas cars fill up, US consumers say

STEPHEN EDELSTEIN JANUARY 7, 2025 184 COMMENTS

• 77% of Americans indicated they'd wait up to 40 minutes for a charge to 80%
• Many current EVs meet that timeframe already
• More consumers prefer dedicated charging stations vs. gas stations with chargers

Long charging times and lack of available public charging stations have been cited as major roadblocks to EV adoption in countless studies and surveys, but a new survey of U.S. consumers conducted by Deloitte indicates that attitudes may be changing.
While it included about 31,000 responses from thirty different countries, the survey found that charge times may be what analysts called a "softening barrier" for U.S. consumers and EV adoption, with many appearing less interested in speeding up EV charging to match gasoline fill-ups. Of U.S. consumer surveyed, 77% said they were willing to wait up to 40 minutes to charge their car from zero to 80%—well within the DC fast-charging envelope of many current EVs.


Gravity EV charging center in New York City
While respondents said that fast-charging time was the most important part of the EV charging experience, a majority were able to wait 21-40 minutes for a charge. The location was also important, with 44% of respondents saying they preferred a dedicated EV charging station to a gas station with chargers, while only 15% preferred the opposite.

The study also underscored that many EV drivers don't require frequent fast charging. Most (79%) of U.S. respondents intending to buy an EV said they planned to charge at home. That's a figure close to what various studied have found for years—although 58% of the overall survey sample said they do not currently have access to a charger, which begs for more details. And 35% of U.S. consumers surveyed said they drive more than 60 miles from their home only once or twice per month, while a further 23% said they never go that far.


General Motors and ChargePoint EV fast charging
This paints a different picture than a Deloitte study published about a year ago, which concluded that EV charge times and cost could be holding shoppers back. Two years earlier, another Deloitte study found that two-thirds of Americans didn't want an EV, primarily due to range and cost concerns.

If this study's conclusions are accurate, though, EVs are set to exceed consumer expectations. The list of vehicles with especially short road-trip charge times is growing, and several companies, including Toyota, have teased that 10-minute charge times may be around the corner—potentially involving solid-state batteries.

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1145442_evs-charge-gas-cars-fill-up-us-consumers

The 47% preferred a dedicated EV charging station to a gas station with chargers, certainly don't live in an urban area.
The only way EVs will capture sales in an urban area is to use the locations they now use to gas their cars. Building dedicated charging stations in an urban area where land is expensive is a loosing proposition. Large gas stations that could have room for charging stations is the best option.

 

[Snakebitten]

You still have to get out of the car to plug in. Also every bit of electricity you use to keep the cabin warm also adds to the time you have to stay at the station.

So if I'm DCFC and I'm even a lowly 50KW rate, how many seconds are added to provide the consumption of my interior climate control?

Or is seconds not the appropriate measure?

 

[music_cities]

The 47% preferred a dedicated EV charging station to a gas station with chargers, certainly don't live in an urban area.
The only way EVs will capture sales in an urban area is to use the locations they now use to gas their cars. Building dedicated charging stations in an urban area where land is expensive is a loosing proposition. Large gas stations that could have room for charging stations is the best option.

I used to gas up near my house. For homeowners, why would one charge their car near their house, when they can just drive it home and charge there instead? There's no reason to focus DCFC charging near places near where most people can charge overnight at L2s, whereas when we were building gas stations that was the focus, most people gassed up "on the way out of town" or just before they arrived back home.

Now, on the other hand, for renters and condo-owners who can't talk their condo-board into installing L2s, it's a completely different problem. DCFCs are too expensive for routine use. BEVs are simply not yet a good choice for most renters and condo-owners, and putting super-fast and over-priced DCFCs in their neighbourhoods near their gas stations isn't going to help much. We need to get low-cost L2s into neighbourhoods with a lot of multi-family dwellings, and incentivize landlords and condo-boards to install L2s.

 

[RickMachE]

I used to gas up near my house. For homeowners, why would one charge their car near their house, when they can just drive it home and charge there instead? There's no reason to focus DCFC charging near places near where most people can charge overnight at L2s, whereas when we were building gas stations that was the focus, most people gassed up "on the way out of town" or just before they arrived back home.

Now, on the other hand, for renters and condo-owners who can't talk their condo-board into installing L2s, it's a completely different problem. DCFCs are too expensive for routine use. BEVs are simply not yet a good choice for most renters and condo-owners, and putting super-fast and over-priced DCFCs in their neighbourhoods near their gas stations isn't going to help much. We need to get low-cost L2s into neighbourhoods with a lot of multi-family dwellings, and incentivize landlords and condo-boards to install L2s.

Yet so many people say "there aren't enough chargers near me... I have only used free local chargers when it worked for me. When we had our Fusion PHEV, there were free chargers in town that delivered 3 or 4kWh. So in 2 hours I was full, for free. Now, all those are fee chargers, and I can't be bothered to get 6 or 8kWh of free power, I'd rather park where my doors won't get dinged.

 

[DeusEx]

So if I'm DCFC and I'm even a lowly 50KW rate, how many seconds are added to provide the consumption of my interior climate control?

Or is seconds not the appropriate measure?

Honestly, I have not measured how much that would increase in time. I'd imagine it would be longer than the 40+ minutes I recently spent in my car going from 45% to 80% SoC with the car off. I had preconditioning turned on for at least an hour but got no faster than 56kWh.

However, prior to charging I was waiting for an hour for my turn at an EA station.

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