About to replace my stock tires…

[dbsb3233]

Was efficiency the same, better, or worse moving from the Primacy AS to the iON EVO SUV AS?

It's so anecdotal and season dependent than it's hard to tell, honestly. We road trip roughly every 6-8 weeks (~2000 miles), so we have a lot of examples, but the seasons/weather has such big impact that I'm hesitant to blame it on the tires. Could be battery degradation too, or simply deeper tread vs the worn tires. But I have noticed some drop in MPK (mi/kWh) on our trips in the last 15 months since I switched to the Hankooks. I used to routinely average 2.8 on our Denver-Vegas trips, as long as the avg temps were 40F+. Now 2.6-2.7 is more common in warm months, and even as low as 2.4 in winter.

The tires *might* be contributing to some loss. Hard to say.

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[glenthompson]

I put PZero AS +3 tires on my son’s Mazda 3 while I was keeping his car when he was on a carrier deployment. I really liked the change in ride and handling over his previous tires. Since then he has been very happy with them. When my MME tires need replacing they will he high on my list.

 

[tuminatr]

If you are looking at the CC2, it's a good tire. I did the Quatrac Pro+ better in the wet.

There are the latest TR info first is the subjective user ratings, 2nd and 3rd are from their latest tire test. Interesting how well the Primacy Tour AS did

 

[MachEnthusiast]

The perfect all-season performance tire doesn't seem to exist. Something where the drop in efficiency/range isn't a huge terrible tradeoff with rain handling. These are the two stats I find most important

Ideally in a sporty-handling tire for my GT but now I feel like I'm not even allowed to have 3 things I want out of a tire.

I kind of wish there were more objective review scores for the Goodyear Electricdrive 2 because I feel like they could be a good contender. Based on how the old Goodyear Electricdrive GT did in that earlier video that was posted here. But also based on the 2024 video from Tire Rack where they actually drove the Electric Drive 2 and basically said "it's great" in all ways in the video.

Goodyear ElectricDrive 2(Grand Touring All-Season, 235/40R19 96W)

• What We Liked: The quietest, most comfortable tire on-road in the test.
• What We'd Improve: Its steering and traction feel out-of-step with one another.
• Summary: For a regular, straight-line commuter tire, it stands out above the crowd, but its driving characteristics, when pushed, have room to improve.

This seems like high praise and even with less reviews on the product it feels like it's calling me.

I'm not a tire expert on my own, but I've extensively read the tire posts here on macheforum.

Three tires that are highly recommended include:

• Pirelli P Zero AS Plus 3
• Pirelli P Zero All Season Plus Elect
• Michelin CrossClimate2

Here are some comparative scores:

For your situation, with frequent rain and occasional snow, I would suggest the CrossClimate2. Those also happen to be the tires Ford selected for the new Mach-E Rally.

The CrossClimate2 also are 3PMSF certified, which means they meet stringent standards for ice and snow driving. Neither the Hankooks nor either of the above Pirelllis also have that certification.

Edit: Since you drive a GT you might lean more toward the Pirelli tires. See posts below.

If you are looking at the CC2, it's a good tire. I did the Quatrac Pro+ better in the wet.

There are the latest TR info first is the subjective user ratings, 2nd and 3rd are from their latest tire test. Interesting how well the Primacy Tour AS did

Where are you guys getting these stats? I love the tables. But there are a few tires I would wanna add into this.

 

[silverelan]

The perfect all-season performance tire doesn't seem to exist. Something where the drop in efficiency/range isn't a huge terrible tradeoff with rain handling. These are the two stats I find most important

Ideally in a sporty-handling tire for my GT but now I feel like I'm not even allowed to have 3 things I want out of a tire.

I kind of wish there were more objective review scores for the Goodyear Electricdrive 2 because I feel like they could be a good contender. Based on how the old Goodyear Electricdrive GT did in that earlier video that was posted here. But also based on the 2024 video from Tire Rack where they actually drove the Electric Drive 2 and basically said "it's great" in all ways in the video.

Goodyear ElectricDrive 2(Grand Touring All-Season, 235/40R19 96W)

• What We Liked: The quietest, most comfortable tire on-road in the test.
• What We'd Improve: Its steering and traction feel out-of-step with one another.
• Summary: For a regular, straight-line commuter tire, it stands out above the crowd, but its driving characteristics, when pushed, have room to improve.

This seems like high praise and even with less reviews on the product it feels like it's calling me.




Where are you guys getting these stats? I love the tables. But there are a few tires I would wanna add into this.

it’s Tire Rack. They’re very comprehensive.

I got the Goodyear WeatherReady2 for my Bolt EV. Those tires are very good on wet roads and super comfortable. They suck at efficiency.

 

[DaddyDeuce]

The perfect all-season performance tire doesn't seem to exist.

Don't worry about it. The really good ones are still good all around. None of the tires being recommended here are bad at anything.

I had to drive our Bolt EUV with factory Michelin tires in the snow this weekend. They handle well enough on dry roads, but on snow the car was squirrely for me and would have been unsafe for my teenage drivers. Here's how these tires that GM considers "good enough" to equip a car with score.

Then there are things like this on the road driving next to you.

I feel like I'm not even allowed to have 3 things I want out of a tire.

Like I wrote, there are a bunch of excellent tires being discussed here. Pick the number one thing that is most important to you, emphasize that, and they will still be better than most tires on the road at everything else.

 

[stoopid]

Like I wrote, there are a bunch of excellent tires being discussed here. Pick the number one thing that is most important to you, emphasize that, and they will still be better than most tires on the road at everything else.

^^^ This. If you need to drive regularly in snow, then get winter/aggressive all seasons and a cheap second set of rims so you can swap. Get a pair of whatever 'summer' tires for the rest of the year.

If you don't need to travel in snow (not an ER doctor with lives depending on your arrival), then get whatever is best compromise. Stay home in the very worse winter conditions. Most A/S will have decent or better wet traction, mediocre snow. The finer points are grip at the edge of performance. For the GT, you're mostly concerned with acceleration traction, the GT is not a true track car. It's quick in a straight line. Full stop. Most all seasons with any performance pedigree will be sufficient. The fact the GT is AWD eliminates the need for a true sport tire IMHO, distributing the power across more than 2 wheels at launch helps offset any minor compromise loss in grip.

 

[tuminatr]

The perfect all-season performance tire doesn't seem to exist. Something where the drop in efficiency/range isn't a huge terrible tradeoff with rain handling. These are the two stats I find most important

Ideally in a sporty-handling tire for my GT but now I feel like I'm not even allowed to have 3 things I want out of a tire.

I kind of wish there were more objective review scores for the Goodyear Electricdrive 2 because I feel like they could be a good contender. Based on how the old Goodyear Electricdrive GT did in that earlier video that was posted here. But also based on the 2024 video from Tire Rack where they actually drove the Electric Drive 2 and basically said "it's great" in all ways in the video.

Goodyear ElectricDrive 2(Grand Touring All-Season, 235/40R19 96W)

• What We Liked: The quietest, most comfortable tire on-road in the test.
• What We'd Improve: Its steering and traction feel out-of-step with one another.
• Summary: For a regular, straight-line commuter tire, it stands out above the crowd, but its driving characteristics, when pushed, have room to improve.

This seems like high praise and even with less reviews on the product it feels like it's calling me.




Where are you guys getting these stats? I love the tables. But there are a few tires I would wanna add into this.

Tire Rack one thing to keep in mind is they run on an old rally track so their results are less real world more track focused, but you could also look at consumer reports for a nonbiased opinion

 

[MachEnthusiast]

There is definitely a tradeoff between wet performance and efficiency. Lower rolling resistance = less wet traction. it is a proven relationship. And the Hankooks may be the most efficient tire for sale right now. Maybe.

Regardless, I am very satisfied with the wet performance of my tires. I drive at high speed in heavy rain, and they do just as well as any AS tire I have ever had. They are not as sticky on twisty roads, but they are very predictable, and you can easily tell the limit when cornering aggressively. There is nothing dangerous about these tires on wet roads. Nothing at all.

And I am very, very satisfied with how much more efficient they are.

He does. He said so in the other thread in which he responded to one of your posts.

it’s Tire Rack. They’re very comprehensive.

I got the Goodyear WeatherReady2 for my Bolt EV. Those tires are very good on wet roads and super comfortable. They suck at efficiency.

Tire Rack one thing to keep in mind is they run on an old rally track so their results are less real world more track focused, but you could also look at consumer reports for a nonbiased opinion

Don't worry about it. The really good ones are still good all around. None of the tires being recommended here are bad at anything.

I had to drive our Bolt EUV with factory Michelin tires in the snow this weekend. They handle well enough on dry roads, but on snow the car was squirrely for me and would have been unsafe for my teenage drivers. Here's how these tires that GM considers "good enough" to equip a car with score.

Then there are things like this on the road driving next to you.



Like I wrote, there are a bunch of excellent tires being discussed here. Pick the number one thing that is most important to you, emphasize that, and they will still be better than most tires on the road at everything else.

^^^ This. If you need to drive regularly in snow, then get winter/aggressive all seasons and a cheap second set of rims so you can swap. Get a pair of whatever 'summer' tires for the rest of the year.

If you don't need to travel in snow (not an ER doctor with lives depending on your arrival), then get whatever is best compromise. Stay home in the very worse winter conditions. Most A/S will have decent or better wet traction, mediocre snow. The finer points are grip at the edge of performance. For the GT, you're mostly concerned with acceleration traction, the GT is not a true track car. It's quick in a straight line. Full stop. Most all seasons with any performance pedigree will be sufficient. The fact the GT is AWD eliminates the need for a true sport tire IMHO, distributing the power across more than 2 wheels at launch helps offset any minor compromise loss in grip.

thank you all. I think the message of “don’t worry about it” is the one I needed to hear more than any other.

 

[MachEnthusiast]

Has anyone got data on the efficiency of the Pirellis? Both the Elect and the regular A/S?

I find it odd how often I see reviews say the Elect "struggles in wet" yet the scores I've seen wouldn't suggest it struggles at all. It just has room for improvement. Tire Rack even said the Elect is "excellent" in wet. I feel like the Elect may be better for me because it doesn't sacrifice too much wet handling for efficiency. The two stats that are most important to me. The sporty feel people report feels like a better match for my GT, which I drive in Unbridled. Even in the Seattle rain.

Right now I think I'm between:

Goodyear ElectricDrive 2
Pirelli P Zero AS Plus 3
Pirelli P Zero All Season Plus Elect
Hankook Ion Evo AS SUV

People seem to love the CC2, but it's not one of my considerations at the moment due to the major drop in efficiency. Same reason I'm not currently considering the Continental DWS.

Edit:
The comparison on Discount Tire has me elevating the Hankooks a bit. Surprised to see these numbers, frankly. They kind of disagree with Tire Rack a bit (at least on wet performance). The bonus on the Hankooks is that they are available at my preferred store.

Edit 2: ok I made my choice. The Pirelli AS Elects were on a good sale for President’s Day at discount tire. Saved me $400 over the Hankooks. And the Goodyears weren’t in stock anywhere nearby. So I pulled the trigger cause I have to do some longer driving this week. Hopefully I don’t regret my choice. It’s raining in Seattle today so I’ll know about that grip pretty quick.

 

[Smoke & Bells]

Look at the " V " groove pattern on the Michelin Cross Climate 2 tires. Each groove gets a draft from the previous groove during rotation, just like geese in flight ! ?

 

[MachEnthusiast]

I want to close the loop here and share what I did and why I did it in more depth, in case it helps the next person looking to replace tires on their GT or GTPE.

To confirm, the final tires I was considering were:

1. Goodyear ElectricDrive 2
2. Pirelli P Zero AS Plus 3
3. Pirelli P Zero All Season Plus Elect
4. Hankook Ion Evo AS SUV

These tires were chosen because they provided the best balance between driving in the rain (PNW common weather) and losing too much range. For this reason I did NOT consider the Michelin CrossClimate2 or the Continental DWS 06. Same story for similar tires like the Goodyear Pilot variants. They all represented too much loss in range for an EV (for my liking).

I looked at 3 major data points. The first being the tables from Tire Rack. The second being the comparison from Discount Tire (which I posted above). The third, which I weighed heavily, was the lived experience you all brought into this thread.

Using all of this data I ultimately decided I couldn't go wrong between:

1. Goodyear ElectricDrive 2
2. Pirelli P Zero All Season Plus Elect
3. Hankook Ion Evo AS SUV

I dropped the AS Plus 3 from consideration since I was close to needing to make a decision, and objective range data was not available for an EV on this tire. Only anecdotal.

The above ranking is how I actually stack-ranked my selections. Goodyear appeared to be best in the wet driving category. Hankook appeared best in range. To narrow my decision further I looked at availability and prices in my area and made my decision.

The Pirelli P Zero All Season Plus Elects won because:

1. They were $80 off on President's Day (when I was planning to get new tires anyway)
2. They were considered the most sporty-handling of the 3 tires from what I could tell, matching the personality of a GT vehicle better
3. They were available in-stock at one single store in my area.
4. The Goodyears weren't available till the following weekend in my area.
5. The Hankooks were the most expensive of the tires at $1600+ for the set of 4 if I were to buy them now. And their wet ratings on other sites did not match the encouraging data on Discount Tire's comparison.

If you bought any of the 4 tires I listed at the beginning, I think you'd probably feel pretty good about your purchase. I probably would have picked up the Goodyears if I could have picked them up yesterday. I'm happy with what I got.

 

[Sunburned]

Posted in another thread, but I recently put the Pirelli AS+3 on my GTPE. They are quiet on the highway, seem fine in all weather conditions, and still handle corners and on-ramps without a squeal or slip. Took the car out in 5-6" of fresh snow before the plows got out and it handled/gripped as well as my Grand Cherokee on 3 peak rated all terrain tires. Plenty happy after a few K miles now.

 

[IncisionInd]

If you are looking at the CC2, it's a good tire. I did the Quatrac Pro+ better in the wet.

There are the latest TR info first is the subjective user ratings, 2nd and 3rd are from their latest tire test. Interesting how well the Primacy Tour AS did

So, based on the images you posted, does that mean that I should look into the VREDESTEIN QUATRAC PRO+. Being that it’s third best across the range while still being affordable is attractive

 

[MachEnthusiast]

So, based on the images you posted, does that mean that I should look into the VREDESTEIN QUATRAC PRO+. Being that it’s third best across the range while still being affordable is attractive

Costco sells that one, too, if you're in the US. So you can get a member price.

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