Has anyone replaced brake fluid when your Mach e turns into 3 years old?

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You have been fortunate that you haven't had an failures on you previous vehicles.
Why was I 'fortunate'? I just looked up the manual and service guide for my old 1999 Mustang (18yr/250k vehicle). There is no mention of changing of brake fluid that I could find.
They'd still say they never had their fluid flushed and that had nothing to do with the failures.
Why would you assume that not changing the brake fluid led to these failures you saw?
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Why was I 'fortunate'? I just looked up the manual and service guide for my old 1999 Mustang (18yr/250k vehicle). There is no mention of changing of brake fluid that I could find.

Why would you assume that not changing the brake fluid led to these failures you saw?
No assumption. It's a fact that they did. Ask any tech that flushes old dirty fluid out of a brake system that hasn't had regular flushes, and they will tell you that there was small pieces of rubber in the fluid from internal hose degradation, wheel cylinder seal lip degradation and caliper seal edge degradation.
 

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I think no matter what is in the service manual it would be a good idea to be on the safe side to at least check it or have the dealer check it.

Here is a video of how to get access to the break fluid to look at it.


And this advice seems like it would at least get you close to knowing what to look for.

I will change mine in the summer when it hits 3 years. This is one of the most ignored maintenance items. Brake fluid is hygroscopic to remove moisture from the brake system. It absorbs moisture from the air over time, especially in humid climates and it has a limit on how much moisture it can hold, hence the need to change it.

Light colour is usually ok. Amber -change, Brown- way too late.
 

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Internal brake system corrosion is a very slow process. It's very likely most who ignore brake fluid maintenance will never encounter any obvious issues for the duration of their ownership. But it's still happening, and is completely preventable, for anyone who cares to address it. Eventually, seals will fail, and calipers will seize, due to neglected brake fluid. My last experience was some years ago, working on a friends '07 Accord, with 180K, and the calipers had finally seized to the point of eating pads in short order. Sure, you could argue the usable life of the car was over, but it still ran/looked fine otherwise. Regular brake fluid maintenance would have avoided this, and kept the brake job to the normal pads & rotors. And I come back to the point of, it's so easy & inexpensive to do, why not? But I do see both sides of the debate, so to each their own. ?
 

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I bought a five year extended warranty through Ford for my Mach, so a total of eight years of warranty. The week before the eighth year expiration, I'll have the brake fluid replaced. Should be good for the rest of the life of the vehicle.
 
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No assumption. It's a fact that they did. Ask any tech that flushes old dirty fluid out of a brake system that hasn't had regular flushes, and they will tell you that there was small pieces of rubber in the fluid from internal hose degradation, wheel cylinder seal lip degradation and caliper seal edge degradation.
Did the old dirty fluid cause the seals and hoses to degrade? Or did the degrading hoses/seals make the fluid dirty? Be careful with correlation/causation...
 

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I think no matter what is in the service manual it would be a good idea to be on the safe side to at least check it or have the dealer check it.

Here is a video of how to get access to the break fluid to look at it.


And this advice seems like it would at least get you close to knowing what to look for.
Look up the brake fluid maker’s specifications and recommendations, they all say 2 years except for the DOT5 silicone stuff which you can’t use on ABS systems.

If you’re not finding it in the car maker’s info you’re not looking in the right place or don’t want to see it?
 

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Did the old dirty fluid cause the seals and hoses to degrade? Or did the degrading hoses/seals make the fluid dirty? Be careful with correlation/causation...
You should do a little research on the subject, it's really quite illuminating. There are a lot of factors but the amount of water saturation and excessive heat due to the boiling point being lowered that does damage over time. An I only mentioned failure of basic components from not following proper service recommendations. There are very expensive ABS components that can fail as a result.
 
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Look up the brake fluid maker’s specifications and recommendations, they all say 2 years except for the DOT5 silicone stuff which you can’t use on ABS systems.

If you’re not finding it in the car maker’s info you’re not looking in the right place or don’t want to see it?
The new LV spec DOT4 even has a shelf life expiration, like groceries! I picked some up at a local Advanced Auto Parts the other day, and 2 of the 3 bottles on display had expired, so I took them up to the counter, and got the blank stare from the clueless kid. I'm sure, after I left, he put them right back on the shelf....? So, if you are buying LV DOT4, check the expiration on the bottle! ⚠
 

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Look up the brake fluid maker’s specifications and recommendations, they all say 2 years except for the DOT5 silicone stuff which you can’t use on ABS systems.

If you’re not finding it in the car maker’s info you’re not looking in the right place or don’t want to see it?
Just to be clear, I have definitely been convinced by this discussion and some research that the brake fluid should be checked/changed on a "time basis". And I would note that I'm now informed a "set time" to change it seems wrong too. Depending on if you are in Arizona or Georga I can certainly see that how much water could in the brake fluid in a given amount of time would be different. As, such it seems to me that it should be checked at about 1 year basis at least, or since most people will be "10,000 in a year" on that basis. And changed if need be.

And as where I'm looking is at the service information in the Ford App, and I really sort of need to point out my thoughts on that reference. I don't consider it the "official detailed service requirements". I consider this a description of about what when and what they want to do the checks and an overview/layman's wording of what will be done.

Personally, I would consider it totally unprofessional to have this line item in the maintenance:
"Inspect brake pads, shoes, rotors, drums, brake linings, hoses and parking brake." and not check the brake fluid. Just look at that statement. None of the Mach-Es have drum brakes. This is clearly a generic statement about all such kinds of servicing, and as such I would certainly hope that the dealer has a much more comprehensive check list of things to check and do.
 

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Just to be clear, I have definitely been convinced by this discussion and some research that the brake fluid should be checked/changed on a "time basis". And I would note that I'm now informed a "set time" to change it seems wrong too. Depending on if you are in Arizona or Georga I can certainly see that how much water could in the brake fluid in a given amount of time would be different. As, such it seems to me that it should be checked at about 1 year basis at least, or since most people will be "10,000 in a year" on that basis. And changed if need be.

And as where I'm looking is at the service information in the Ford App, and I really sort of need to point out my thoughts on that reference. I don't consider it the "official detailed service requirements". I consider this a description of about what when and what they want to do the checks and an overview/layman's wording of what will be done.

Personally, I would consider it totally unprofessional to have this line item in the maintenance:
"Inspect brake pads, shoes, rotors, drums, brake linings, hoses and parking brake." and not check the brake fluid. Just look at that statement. None of the Mach-Es have drum brakes. This is clearly a generic statement about all such kinds of servicing, and as such I would certainly hope that the dealer has a much more comprehensive check list of things to check and do.
Probably overkill, but I check it every time my nose is under the hood on a monthly basis. I keep a few spare fasteners for when one inevitably pops off and drops into the inaccessible cavern beneath. I just checked my 20 year old Volvo today - nice and clean. On our MMEs you need to keep an eye on the coolant levels as well and its right beside the brake reservoir so easy to do both at once.
 

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Just to be clear, I have definitely been convinced by this discussion and some research that the brake fluid should be checked/changed on a "time basis". And I would note that I'm now informed a "set time" to change it seems wrong too. Depending on if you are in Arizona or Georga I can certainly see that how much water could in the brake fluid in a given amount of time would be different. As, such it seems to me that it should be checked at about 1 year basis at least, or since most people will be "10,000 in a year" on that basis. And changed if need be.

And as where I'm looking is at the service information in the Ford App, and I really sort of need to point out my thoughts on that reference. I don't consider it the "official detailed service requirements". I consider this a description of about what when and what they want to do the checks and an overview/layman's wording of what will be done.

Personally, I would consider it totally unprofessional to have this line item in the maintenance:
"Inspect brake pads, shoes, rotors, drums, brake linings, hoses and parking brake." and not check the brake fluid. Just look at that statement. None of the Mach-Es have drum brakes. This is clearly a generic statement about all such kinds of servicing, and as such I would certainly hope that the dealer has a much more comprehensive check list of things to check and do.
They do, and they are able to work to it so they don’t go to work on drum brakes on a car with discs/rotors, and the brake fluid change is a additional service item found here…..

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I bought a five year extended warranty through Ford for my Mach, so a total of eight years of warranty. The week before the eighth year expiration, I'll have the brake fluid replaced. Should be good for the rest of the life of the car.
Just an FYI A 5 yr extended warranty doesn’t give you 8 years of warranty. It’s the original 3 + 2 more years for a total of 5.
 

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Just an FYI A 5 yr extended warranty doesn’t give you 8 years of warranty. It’s the original 3 + 2 more years for a total of 5.
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I bought a five year extended warranty through Ford for my Mach, so a total of eight years of warranty. The week before the eighth year expiration, I'll have the brake fluid replaced. Should be good for the rest of the life of the car.
They might not replace it under warranty unless you also have a service plan separate from that warranty. When my 12v battery died during my extended warranty, they said the 12v was a consumable and therefore not covered by the extended warranty.

They may take the same posture with the brake fluid since it technically is in the manual as part of regular maintenance that it should be replaced, meaning, you are not having it replaced because of a failure occurring like say with your a/c breaking but because time is up on that fluid's useful life.
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