2024 Range Improvements

[dpnelson]

There are now enough 2024 EPA stickers floating around that we can get a pretty good picture of the range and efficiency improvements.

First, the bad news - Standard Range models (LFP Pack)

Model	year	total MPGe	city	highway	range	kwh/100 miles
RWD SR	2023	101	107	95	250	33
	2024	102	106	98	250	33
AWD SR	2023	93	98	87	230	36
	2024	91	95	88	230	37

Numbers are flat to slightly worse. Overall, City MPGe declines slightly, and Highway shows slight improvement. Range figures are unchanged

The good news - Extended Range Models

Model	year	total MPGe	city	highway	range	kwh/100 miles
RWD ER	2023	99	105	92	310	34
	2024	106	111	100	320	32
AWD CR1	2023	98	105	91	312	34
AWD ER	2023	92	97	85	290	37
	2024	99	103	94	300	34
GT	2023	84	90	77	270	40
GT PE	2023	82	88	76	260	41
GT w/perf	2024	90	95	85	280	37

Numbers are improved across the board. City MPGe improves by 5-6, and Highway by 8-9. Range is up by 10 miles for like models, or 20 if you consider the 2024 GT the successor to the 2023 GTPE. (Note, the 2024 GT numbers are from one sticker posted to this board. It's unclear if the numbers are any different without the performance option)

Interestingly, the changes in these numbers are not internally consistent. The range figures improved by considerably smaller amounts than any of the other numbers. For example, the AWD ER had a 6.2% increase in city MPGe, a 10.6% increase in highway MPGe, a and a 8.1% decrease in kwh/100 miles, but it only shows a 3.4% increase in its range figure. It will be interesting to see what some of the more consistent third party reviewers report when they run their own tests.

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[Billyk24]

Do the 2024 models have the same tires/sizes as the 2023/2022 models?

 

[mkhuffman]

This sounds like relaxing the EPA test procedure to get better results. AKA Tesla. Unless there is something that has changed to justify the improved efficiency, I call BS.

 

[LincolnLuvr]

There's no updated range for the 2024 GT (without performance upgrade)?

 

[Mach1E]

This sounds like relaxing the EPA test procedure to get better results. AKA Tesla. Unless there is something that has changed to justify the improved efficiency, I call BS.

Yeah, hard to believe an increase in efficiency without changing the hardware.

GT possibly has a new motor, but the rest of the lineup seems the same.

Maybe the new wheels come with new tires that could help some?

But I bet it’s a testing change. I wonder if they switched to the 5 cycle test that Tesla uses that inflates the results.

 

[dpnelson]

Yeah, hard to believe an increase in efficiency without changing the hardware.

GT possibly has a new motor, but the rest of the lineup seems the same.

Maybe the new wheels come with new tires that could help some?

But I bet it’s a testing change. I wonder if they switched to the 5 cycle test that Tesla uses that inflates the results.

I'm wondering if the new motor is being put on all of the models with extended range. That could explain why those models had their numbers improve, but the standard range ones didn't. I would expect a testing change to affect all models similarly. Plus, Tesla had to reduce their numbers downward for 2024, so the 5 cycle test may not provide an advantage anymore.

The other thing that might explain the discrepancy is if Ford/LG reworked the extended range pack to have lower internal resistance. If you look at a picture of the pack internals, it has a lot of long, relatively skinny busbars between the modules. It's entirely feasible that they could have worked with LG over the last 3 years to update the cell and module dimensions and orientations to get to a design where they could have shorter, thicker busbars. It's also possible that the cells themselves have improved, and have lower internal resistance.

 

[kodiakng]

This sounds like relaxing the EPA test procedure to get better results. AKA Tesla. Unless there is something that has changed to justify the improved efficiency, I call BS.

we already know there is a new motor in the rear at a minimum (front in GT+rally) and improvements in the coolant loops as @Mach-Lee has noted so these small improvements in EPA range could easily be seen there. i haven't seen any details on the NMC battery pack but could easily see improvements there too - especially if they're overcoming the 5-sec barrier.

 

[superdave80]

But I bet it’s a testing change. I wonder if they switched to the 5 cycle test that Tesla uses that inflates the results.

We would most likely see way higher gains if they switched to the 5 cycle test.

 

[Arsenic17]

Perhaps they are changing the BMS to allow for more usable battery? Or they tweaked the testing procedure some to give more favorable numbers? Cant imagine there being much difference like this from 2023 to 2024. The only changes are wheels (and perhaps tires), but don't see that making this much difference. I also dont think this is Ford changing to the same EPA test Tesla uses that inflates their range so much, but it could be.

 

[azerik]

This sounds like relaxing the EPA test procedure to get better results. AKA Tesla. Unless there is something that has changed to justify the improved efficiency, I call BS.

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[Mrn]

I suspect if they showed a +/- error range for the measurements the overlap would show the difference is not mathematically significant ?

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