Am I doing something wrong? Electric bill

devmach-e

Well-Known Member
First Name
David
Joined
Sep 8, 2021
Threads
1
Messages
2,063
Reaction score
2,534
Location
SF Bay Area
Vehicles
2022 Premium RWD ER, 2016 Toyota Highlander Hybrid
Occupation
Unix Sysadmin
Country flag
You produce energy with your solar panels after midnight?
I do not. Which is why I don't bother trying to track solar production with regards to what it costs to charge my car at night, when there is no solar production.
Sponsored

 

SeattleSteveMe

Well-Known Member
First Name
Steve
Joined
Feb 29, 2024
Threads
0
Messages
46
Reaction score
18
Location
Seattle, WA, USA
Vehicles
2022 Mach-e Premium AWD EXT
Occupation
Stagehand
Country flag
Anyone has experience with this product:

https://shop.emporiaenergy.com/products/emporia-vue-3?variant=46067941966079

Seems like a good idea, but wanted to check for practical experience.
I don't personally have any experience, but the contractor who installed my solar and Emporia charger said they had installed several of those, but mine was the first Emporia charger they had installed.

Emporia sells a package with the Vue energy monitor and EVSE (charger).

https://shop.emporiaenergy.com/products/emporia-pro-ev-charger?variant=46762104914175
 

SeattleSteveMe

Well-Known Member
First Name
Steve
Joined
Feb 29, 2024
Threads
0
Messages
46
Reaction score
18
Location
Seattle, WA, USA
Vehicles
2022 Mach-e Premium AWD EXT
Occupation
Stagehand
Country flag
I have owned my Mach e for 4 months now and total cost to charge for 5700 kms is $49.12 CDN. My hydro provided has an EV rate of 3.9 cents per KwH as long as I charge the vehicle between 11:00 pm and 7:00 am every night.

Moving to an EV has allowed me to go from spending $400 monthly for fuel in my 2019 Nissan Rogue to a grand total of just under $50 for four months or almost 6,000 kms.

As suggested by many other participants, contact your Hydro supplier to ask for an EV rate and charge always during off peak. It is important to make sure that you program your vehicle to only charge during the EV rate time when connected to your home charger.
BC Hydro has great rates. The OP will never see anything like that in Kentucky. I live in Seattle, where most of the electricity is generated by hydroelectric. Just outside Seattle the rates go up significantly. My rates are $0.1338/kWh + $14.60 base charge. They have a time of use plan that doesn't look very good to me. The TOU rates are:
$0.0805 off peak (midnight–6 AM)
$0.1409 mid-peak
$0.1610 peak (5–9PM)
I don't see how that could possibly save me any money since all usage except midnight–6AM costs more.
 

Nikos

Well-Known Member
Joined
Dec 29, 2019
Threads
2
Messages
604
Reaction score
553
Location
Taylors SC
Vehicles
17 Must GT, 21MME AWD, 22 F-150 Lightning
Occupation
Aircraft Mechanic
Country flag
Got a new 2025 Mach E GTPE less than 2 months ago. I have a 40 amp home charger. Wife drives one way to work 16 miles, then other daily driving but not much. Our power bill went up $176 from last month. Also compared to the same month last year it was almost doubled. I see all these post about how much money people are saving with an EV, some say their electric bill didn’t even go up. We went from loving this car to regretting our purchase.
Don’t you regret your purchase. I have a Mach E and An F-150 Lightning and my monthly bill for both of the averages around $50-$60. It has been consistent for the last 4 years. Yes my bill goes up in the summer due to the A/C usage, even if you have an efficient A/C system.
Got a new 2025 Mach E GTPE less than 2 months ago. I have a 40 amp home charger. Wife drives one way to work 16 miles, then other daily driving but not much. Our power bill went up $176 from last month. Also compared to the same month last year it was almost doubled. I see all these post about how much money people are saving with an EV, some say their electric bill didn’t even go up. We went from loving this car to regretting our purchase.
Got a new 2025 Mach E GTPE less than 2 months ago. I have a 40 amp home charger. Wife drives one way to work 16 miles, then other daily driving but not much. Our power bill went up $176 from last month. Also compared to the same month last year it was almost doubled. I see all these post about how much money people are saving with an EV, some say their electric bill didn’t even go up. We went from loving this car to regretting our purchase.
Don’t regret your purchase.
For the last 4 years of ownership of both a Mach E and a F-150 Lightning, my monthly consumption is $50- $60.
Yes, during the hot months your A/C will consume a lot and hopefully you have an efficient unit.
All of us in this forum are trying to help explain your EV consumption as best as we can. Stick with your EV and try to find from your power provider why is the case. You will be surprised.
 

bojesphob

Well-Known Member
Joined
May 18, 2026
Threads
3
Messages
108
Reaction score
139
Location
Mid-West
Vehicles
2026 Mustang Mach E GT (Race Red), 2026 Mustang Mach E Premium (Green)
Occupation
Information Technology
I do not. Which is why I don't bother trying to track solar production with regards to what it costs to charge my car at night, when there is no solar production.
If you have batteries for your solar, you would still use solar generated power if charged at night. Of course, our house has panels but not the battery currently, so we don't have that ability currently. So, if you don't have the batteries you aren't saving what you generate. Of course, you can always look at it as what you generated during the day balanced out what you used to charge at night.

When I got our charger, I got one from the company that made our solar panel system (Enphase) and it integrates into the system and the app that they have. It actually pulls directly from the panels if you're charging during the day, so that you aren't touching the grid if charging when the sun's out, too! Also allows us to see what our consumption for EV charging is versus what we produced. We're likely going to get a battery installed now that we have the EVs, and get a couple more panels installed to add a little more generating capability (we designed the system 3 years ago not thinking we'd be getting EVs any time soon). Back on the 24th, wife and I both charged our MMEs from about 50 to 90%, and attached is what our consumption versus generating looked like. My wife's MME was charged last night adding about 62 miles to the range, and that was about 18 kWh. 150 miles added to the range was 44.7 kWh. Our local electric rate is about 10 cents per, so that 150 mile charge was $4.70. 3 charges a week between our two cars, 450 miles, that's about $14 bucks a week, or on average 56 dollars a month. Note: This is how much it would costs if we didn't have solar at all. Just as a rough estimate, our cost is probably around half of that monthly cost, so maybe around 25-30 instead of 56. Just for comparison's sake, only driving 400 miles a month with my Tremor, at 4 dollars a gallon that was 108 dollars in gas, not to mention my wife was spending around 180 in gas a month.

Our lowest output per month was January at 345 kWh generated, and that monthly usage for charging would be 536, so during the winter our electric bill would be positive just from the charging, but (minus today) June has generated 811 kWh, and it's been raining a LOT this month, so much that we've had 10 days at 20 or less kWh generated. For comparison, last July was super sunny, and we generated 889 kWh. Anyhow, if you have solar, of course your numbers would be different because your system was set up with different number of panels, etc. Figured it might be worth sharing since I'm new to all of this!

Ford Mustang Mach-E Am I doing something wrong? Electric bill Screenshot_20260630_072324_Enlighten
 
Last edited:


badair

New Member
First Name
Bob
Joined
Dec 14, 2025
Threads
0
Messages
1
Reaction score
0
Location
Austin, TX
Vehicles
2025 Mach-e Standard
Got a new 2025 Mach E GTPE less than 2 months ago. I have a 40 amp home charger. Wife drives one way to work 16 miles, then other daily driving but not much. Our power bill went up $176 from last month. Also compared to the same month last year it was almost doubled. I see all these post about how much money people are saving with an EV, some say their electric bill didn’t even go up. We went from loving this car to regretting our purchase.
Here’s my charging info.
I drive about 60 miles/wk around town.
charge every Sunday afternoon
typical charge is about 20 kwh @ $.05/kwh here in Austin.
Thats $1.00/week so I’m practically driving for nothing.
 
OP
OP

Kygolfer

Active Member
First Name
Roy
Joined
May 6, 2026
Threads
3
Messages
32
Reaction score
55
Location
Kentucky
Vehicles
2025 MachE GT
0.5 cents is crazy. Ours is 12 at night and 15 in the day.
 

Triggerhappy007

Well-Known Member
Joined
Feb 20, 2021
Threads
10
Messages
930
Reaction score
852
Location
TX
Vehicles
23 Premium, 3rd Mach-E
Country flag
0.5 cents is crazy. Ours is 12 at night and 15 in the day.
Then there's no way for your electric bill to go up that much due to you adding an electric car. Your AC may be running twice as much as last year. You might need to get your AC checked.
 

bojesphob

Well-Known Member
Joined
May 18, 2026
Threads
3
Messages
108
Reaction score
139
Location
Mid-West
Vehicles
2026 Mustang Mach E GT (Race Red), 2026 Mustang Mach E Premium (Green)
Occupation
Information Technology
Then there's no way for your electric bill to go up that much due to you adding an electric car. Your AC may be running twice as much as last year. You might need to get your AC checked.
I would agree with that. At 15 cents/kWh, if OP did truly increase their bill 175 dollars for their EV only, that's 1167 kWh increase in usage. Getting 3.35 miles/hWh charge (which is what my wife and I are currently getting, averaged between the two of us), that's 3909 miles of charge. I mean, it's possible one could be driving that much, that's about 46k miles in a year, but that doesn't sound like the case from the original post. Although, note, if you had the average MPG vehicle most Americans have right now, you'd be getting 25.5 miles per gallon, and 3909 miles in a month would be 153 gallons of gas, or 536 dollars at 3.5 a gallon.

Now, if you didn't drive near 4k miles, OP, the increase in your costs was not due to your EV. You should be getting around 2-3 miles per kWh of charge, take your mileage during that time divide by 2 (for a lowball estimate), then multiply by .15 to see what your current, absolute worst increase due to your charging would add to your bill. Whatever else is attributed to something else, either rate increase overall, your kids leaving something high power usage on for the entire month, or possibly even your utility having a problem with their metering. It is remotely possible that there's something wrong with the EV, but the easiest way to figure that out would be to take it to a charging station and do a typical charge you would do at home and see what it gives you for the number of kWh you used. If it has issues, you'd see that be WAY higher than approximately 2-3 miles/kWh.
 

music_cities

Well-Known Member
Joined
Nov 7, 2023
Threads
57
Messages
738
Reaction score
715
Location
Calgary, Canada
Vehicles
Mach E 2022 GT
Country flag
Anyone has experience with this product:

https://shop.emporiaenergy.com/products/emporia-vue-3?variant=46067941966079

Seems like a good idea, but wanted to check for practical experience.
Yes, I have the Emporia Vue and the Emporia Charger too. Great combination. I got the 16 circuit monitoring, and managed to squeeze all 16 into my breaker box. I also bought a couple of extra Emporia Smart Plugs for the office computers and TV so that I could monitor them separately, they are the only meaningful draw on their circuits so that freed up some of the 16 original circuit transformers for other circuits. It's wonderful data to have. Plus, you can run the 'excess solar' algorithm to try to charge your car only from solar.
 

RickMachE

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jul 1, 2021
Threads
268
Messages
18,190
Reaction score
28,590
Location
SE MI
Vehicles
2022 Mach-E Premium 4X, 2022 Lightning Lariat ER
Country flag
0.5 cents is crazy. Ours is 12 at night and 15 in the day.
" Got a new 2025 Mach E GTPE less than 2 months ago. I have a 40 amp home charger. Wife drives one way to work 16 miles, then other daily driving but not much. Our power bill went up $176 from last month. Also compared to the same month last year it was almost doubled. I see all these post about how much money people are saving with an EV, some say their electric bill didn’t even go up. We went from loving this car to regretting our purchase."

The $176 is due to something other than your EV. Period.

Can we end this thread now?
 

Kamuelaflyer

Well-Known Member
First Name
Bill
Joined
Feb 18, 2020
Threads
11
Messages
11,589
Reaction score
23,563
Location
Hawaii
Vehicles
2021 Premium Infinite Blue. ER AWD. 2020 Raptor, 2021 Ranger.
Country flag
The $176 is due to something other than your EV. Period.

Can we end this thread now?
Absolutely correct. On both counts.

My Emporia charger has delivered 141.2 kW to the mach-e in the last 30 days. Even at the high peak pre war rates that’s less than $82.00. Since I charge during off peak, its less than half of that. $176 isn't from the car, that’s been obvious from the start.
 

devmach-e

Well-Known Member
First Name
David
Joined
Sep 8, 2021
Threads
1
Messages
2,063
Reaction score
2,534
Location
SF Bay Area
Vehicles
2022 Premium RWD ER, 2016 Toyota Highlander Hybrid
Occupation
Unix Sysadmin
Country flag
If you have batteries for your solar, you would still use solar generated power if charged at night.
I don't have batteries. And even if I did, I probably would not try to charge the car from the battery bank, or run large household loads (heatpump HVAC, electric oven, or heatpump water heater) from the battery overnight. I also only have a small 5 kW array, and most of the time I'm not at home when the sun is shining, so I have little opportunity to charge at home while the sun is shining.
 

devmach-e

Well-Known Member
First Name
David
Joined
Sep 8, 2021
Threads
1
Messages
2,063
Reaction score
2,534
Location
SF Bay Area
Vehicles
2022 Premium RWD ER, 2016 Toyota Highlander Hybrid
Occupation
Unix Sysadmin
Country flag
0.5 cents is crazy. Ours is 12 at night and 15 in the day.
They aren't getting 0.5 cents per kWh. They are getting 5 cents a kWh. $0.05 is the same as 5 cents.
 
OP
OP

Kygolfer

Active Member
First Name
Roy
Joined
May 6, 2026
Threads
3
Messages
32
Reaction score
55
Location
Kentucky
Vehicles
2025 MachE GT
Then there's no way for your electric bill to go up that much due to you adding an electric car. Your AC may be running twice as much as last year. You might need to get your AC checked.
I’m have someone coming to look at AC today. It is
They aren't getting 0.5 cents per kWh. They are getting 5 cents a kWh. $0.05 is the same as 5 cents.
Sorry I didn’t rite it corekly. That is still less than half of what I pay.
Sponsored

 
 







Top