Apple Maps Battery Preconditioning

[Deleted member 16048]

Not to pile on, but as everyone else noted the announcement was for late 2023 at the earliest.

To be fair, this was one of the very rare times Apple announced something that was more than a year out of a (scheduled) release. If it wasn't for third-parties (car manufactures) needing to co-develop and potentially have government regulators evaluating, we wouldn't have heard about it. This was Apple getting ahead of the Apple rumors news to control enough of the narrative.

Rare indeed, let's just hope it doesn't end up like AirPower. (Too soon? lol)

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[Blue highway]

It would be a good thing to know if there's an ambient temperature minimum when one should absolutely use Ford's nav when charging to a DCFC, or if it's always advantageous to do so.

With a Tesla the graphic indicator that the battery is preconditioning kicks on all of the time when navigating to a Supercharger, so I assume preconditioning is always occurring and advantageous.

ambient temp does not matter... it's pack temp that matters. In this regard, preconditioning "always" helps... the colder it is, the more it matters... the warmer the less it matters.

anything below 80 degrees is cold in battery terms.

 

[stellman]

Thanks for all the replies! I too hope that Ford supports gen2 CarPlay in our current cars to support extra features like pre-conditioning. I need to mess with the Ford Navi more to get used to it.

 

[TheSeg]

Rare indeed, let's just hope it doesn't end up like AirPower. (Too soon? lol)

AirPower was exactly why I said "scheduled"! AirPower was the very rare product miscalculation; that one caught *everyone* off guard.

 

[GreaseMonkey]

It would be nice to have data around how much it matters in practical terms. Say the average kW charging on an EA 150 between 25-80% SoC at 32F/0C ambient temp. That way drivers can make a decision whether it is worth using the Ford navigation.

Perhaps next winter.

Also, does the car need 20 miles to precondition, or is it based on time from the start of navigation to a DCFC?

 

[Deleted member 16048]

AirPower was exactly why I said "scheduled"! AirPower was the very rare product miscalculation; that one caught *everyone* off guard.

Yeah, I remember literally having to do the overnight to pull all cables and accessories that had AirPower labeled on it or mentioned it at the Apple Store I worked at. Crazy times for sure.

Back to the topic though, I do suspect we will see further integration on the Mach E with CarPlay 2. It appears the modules support more and Ford came out heavily supporting Apple after the GM thing. It would be great if Apple Maps can sent the signal to the battery to begin warming like the Ford Nav does. I hate Fords nav, so even if I need DC pre conditioning, I will just take the loss in time for my better UI.

 

[Logal727]

Yeah, I remember literally having to do the overnight to pull all cables and accessories that had AirPower labeled on it or mentioned it at the Apple Store I worked at. Crazy times for sure.

Back to the topic though, I do suspect we will see further integration on the Mach E with CarPlay 2. It appears the modules support more and Ford came out heavily supporting Apple after the GM thing. It would be great if Apple Maps can sent the signal to the battery to begin warming like the Ford Nav does. I hate Fords nav, so even if I need DC pre conditioning, I will just take the loss in time for my better UI.

Technically HVAC control is already part of the CarPlay protocol, you'll notice whenever you use Siri the fan speed goes down to make it easier to hear. This happens in all vehicles with CarPlay.

 

[Deleted member 16048]

Technically HVAC control is already part of the CarPlay protocol, you'll notice whenever you use Siri the fan speed goes down to make it easier to hear. This happens in all vehicles with CarPlay.

that feature isn’t related to CarPlay. It’s the “Use Siri” protocol. Vehicles that don’t have CarPlay but voice controls work with that too.

My guess is that Apple took part of that to build the new APIs for full HVAC control in 2.0

 

[Logal727]

that feature isn’t related to CarPlay. It’s the “Use Siri” protocol. Vehicles that don’t have CarPlay but voice controls work with that too.

My guess is that Apple took part of that to build the new APIs for full HVAC control in 2.0

Yeah, tomato tomato

 

[TheSeg]

Technically HVAC control is already part of the CarPlay protocol, you'll notice whenever you use Siri the fan speed goes down to make it easier to hear. This happens in all vehicles with CarPlay.

This gets a bit in the technical weeds, but CarPlay as of right now only tells the car "get me the microphone". It doesn't ask the car each function individually ("give me microphone access; please turn down the fan; etc…").

The car is programed to do a series of things, including throttling down the fans, when the microphone is being used. So while one can say CarPlay controlled the fan, it's not direct component control.

 

[LvP51e]

3.6.2, if memory serves.

Edit:
Confirmed

I do not remember this update. I have a 22 rwd select that I have had since may 22. I am on 4.2.4 and this does not appear to be the case for me otherwise I’d have better charging sessions, especially on a few cross country trips I have taken

 

[Maquis]

I do not remember this update. I have a 22 rwd select that I have had since may 22. I am on 4.2.4 and this does not appear to be the case for me otherwise I’d have better charging sessions, especially on a few cross country trips I have taken

The only way to know if your car preconditions is to monitor the system via ODBII connection. You can’t judge based on charging experiences - too many variables.

 

[LvP51e]

What is that ODBII system? Is that an attachment, software?

 

[kennan]

The built-in nav however does do this if you use that nav (and only that nav, no others do it) to route you to a DCFC location. I've not tried it myself, but that's what's been written up in multiple threads on this forum.

Hmm, makes me wonder if I've been shooting myself in the foot with my "regular" road trip fast chargers. I've found a few I like on a route that I do a few times a year and just enter the address to the Walmart (or whatever) where the station is as my destination, rather than entering my actual final destination and letting it add chargers. So the nav system might assume that I'm going to fast charge when I reach each destination, but I don't usually tell it that explicitly. I guess if nobody knows, I'll have to figure out ODB and test it myself.

 

[acosmichippo]

It would be a good thing to know if there's an ambient temperature minimum when one should absolutely use Ford's nav when charging to a DCFC, or if it's always advantageous to do so.

With a Tesla the graphic indicator that the battery is preconditioning kicks on all of the time when navigating to a Supercharger, so I assume preconditioning is always occurring and advantageous.

I'm pretty sure it's always beneficial in terms of charge time. the point of preconditioning is to warm up the battery, which lowers its resistance, which increases the charging speed.

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