Article: "What All EV Owner's Should Hear."

[Guss]

Interesting article. How to make your battery last longer. Would like your opinion on this. https://www.newsbreak.com/share/399..._25q1_exp-v14,ns_foryou_rank_exp_25q2-v5&s=i3

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[E90alex]

Yes, it has been studied and confirmed that shallow discharges are better for the battery. Plug in as often as you can. There is zero point in waiting until it’s low first to fill back up when you have home charging.

 

[ChasingCoral]

Interesting article. How to make your battery last longer. Would like your opinion on this. https://www.newsbreak.com/share/3990614454020-scientists-make-surprising-finding-that-all-electric-vehicle-drivers-should-hear-has-been-largely-overlooked-until-now?_f=app_share&pd=0LNwK7RT&lang=en_US&send_time=1746389193&trans_data={"platform":0,"cv":"25.18.0.43","languages":"en"}&sep=ns_foryou_model_exp_25q2_v2-v5,ns_foryou_blend_exp_25q2-v5,ns_foryou_recall_exp_25q2-v4,ns_local_strategy_25q1_exp-v14,ns_foryou_rank_exp_25q2-v5&s=i3

This is old information. This has been discussed in articles from Battery University that show Nickel Manganese Cobalt (NMC) type lithium batteries are happiest around 50%. Most importantly, don't let them sit around empty or full. If you need a full charge for a trip, charge to 100% and then drive. If you need to go close to 0% SOC, then immediately charge back up.

Caveat #1: This is for NMC, not LFP batteries. Search this forum for good articles on battery types and proper treatment.

Caveat #2: Analyses by Recurrent show that IRL battery performance really doesn't care much about how you fast charge or how you treat the battery. The biggest determinant of NMC battery health is the age of the battery.

Dozens (hundreds?) of posts on this topic here.

 

[ipca204]

I have far more important things to worry about than this....lol

 

[Ravensfan1996]

I’m still trying to figure out what this means: simple tip : "Don't use your battery until it runs out."

 

[E90alex]

Don’t run it to 0% and the car stops moving.

 

[Teslaeata]

Don’t run it to 0% and the car stops moving.

Funny thing is, I never intend doing this?

Just like I would never have run the ICE fuel tank dry.

 

[Jimrpa]

Is there not a reserve buffer in out batteries so that when we charge to 100%, we’re not REALLY charging to 100%? I’ve never known how the buffer is managed and taken into account.

 

[DennisD]

Is there not a reserve buffer in out batteries so that when we charge to 100%, we’re not REALLY charging to 100%? I’ve never known how the buffer is managed and taken into account.

Not sure about EV Batteries but cell phone batteries have the technology of optimization so as to not charge to 100% to save on battery length. Now I realize that on the settings you can charge to 80% or whatever you want, it would still be nice to have a program that would dissuade you from entertaining the thought of charging to 100%. (new car purchasers come to mind)

Because it is hard on batteries, there should have been something built into the software and when you want to charge to 100% (for a long trip), there should be a notice of "are you sure you want to charge to 100%".

I would assume that would have been an extremely simple programming solution but no one either cared or thought about it?

 

[NorthlandPhil]

I’m still trying to figure out what this means: simple tip : "Don't use your battery until it runs out."

But, how would you use your battery when it runs out? And wouldn't it take a very long time to run out if you weren't using it?

 

[HuntingPudel]

Is there not a reserve buffer in out batteries so that when we charge to 100%, we’re not REALLY charging to 100%? I’ve never known how the buffer is managed and taken into account.

The MME has buffers on the top and on the bottom to prevent excursions to either extreme. The buffers are approximately 4% on either end. That means that you still won''t want to drain the battery until the car stops moving or charge the battery until it reaches 100%. ??

The fact is that NMC batteries (and to a much lesser extent LFP) do not like to dwell near either extreme. So you can drive the car down under 10% if you are going to immediately charge it above 20% or charge it to above 90% if you are going to immediately drive it back under 80% actual capacity (10% actual = apx. 15% indicated and 80% actual = apx. 85% indicated due to the buffers). Just don't let an NMC battery spend time under or over the "magic" 20%-80% range. ??

 

[HuntingPudel]

Not sure about EV Batteries but cell phone batteries have the technology of optimization so as to not charge to 100% to save on battery length. Now I realize that on the settings you can charge to 80% or whatever you want, it would still be nice to have a program that would dissuade you from entertaining the thought of charging to 100%. (new car purchasers come to mind)

Because it is hard on batteries, there should have been something built into the software and when you want to charge to 100% (for a long trip), there should be a notice of "are you sure you want to charge to 100%".

I would assume that would have been an extremely simple programming solution but no one either cared or thought about it?

This is only true of fairly recent cell iPhones and iPads. For example, my older iPhone 13 Pro cannot do this, while my 16 Pro can. My older iPad Pro also cannot be set to charge to 80%. Not sure about Android devices. Also not sure why Apple excluded older devices from being able to set the maxiumum SoC. ?‍?

Our MMEs (and F150 Lightnings) already have this setting and it can be overridden. The setting is currently location-driven, and the maximum SoC is configurable. In the owner's manual, Ford recommends a 90% (indicated) ceiling. I set mine to 85% (indicated) because that is closest to 80% actual SoC. You can override the setting in the FordPass app (unfortunately, in the currrent version of the app you must wait until the car has reached its SoC ceiling - past versions of the app would allow overriding prior to reaching the limit). ??

 

[rhfritz]

For our daily commute needs, we charge only to 70%. If we're going on a trip, then we charge to 100. While on the trip, we use the GOM to make sure we arrive at a charger before we reach 35% so if the charger is broken, we can get to another one before we get below 20%. On the road, just due to time involved, then we only charge back up to 80.

 

[curtisfinney]

Interesting article. How to make your battery last longer. Would like your opinion on this. https://www.newsbreak.com/share/3990614454020-scientists-make-surprising-finding-that-all-electric-vehicle-drivers-should-hear-has-been-largely-overlooked-until-now?_f=app_share&pd=0LNwK7RT&lang=en_US&send_time=1746389193&trans_data={"platform":0,"cv":"25.18.0.43","languages":"en"}&sep=ns_foryou_model_exp_25q2_v2-v5,ns_foryou_blend_exp_25q2-v5,ns_foryou_recall_exp_25q2-v4,ns_local_strategy_25q1_exp-v14,ns_foryou_rank_exp_25q2-v5&s=i3

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[Guss]

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