Which in itself is problem that will delay things here. That's the deal with LFP now. Most of the models with LFP cells don't qualify for the full tax credits because they're often sourced from China.
There's some 268M light-duty cars and trucks on the road today. Average annual sales of new cars prior to the pandemic was around 17M. Today it is about 15.5M. If we stopped buying ICE vehicles today, and just started buying EVs, it would take between 16 and 18 years to replace all those cars with EVs. The reality is that we don't have enough diversity of models and price points to accomplish that right now. It will take 2 to 3 decades to get to the point where we need to charge 100s of millions of EVs. By which time there will have been breakthroughs in battery technology, and charging technology. Plus a lot more charging stations being deployed to accommodate all those vehicles. Robotaxis replacing personal car ownership is also decades away.
Mr. Fusion, or Keurig Fusion Pods. Or Nescafusion.
It’s not so much about the rest time than it is about congestion at charging stations when every car on the road is an EV.
No, I do not need a break every 2 hours which is what my current road trip is like in an EV. In an ICE, I don't beed a break until after my 10-12 hours of driving is done. It's fill up every 600 miles for 5-10 minutes and get back on the road. So much of my travel time in an EV is wasted not driving.
I dunno.I don't think anyone claimed otherwise, least of all me
But actual beta-level prototypes coming available next year is a big deal. That means we're getting close to operationalizing products ready for market. That was not the case in prior years.
Not to mention, even with existing tech, we've made substantial progress on the energy density front.
I get it, there's a lot of "been there, done that. I'll believe it when I see it" attitudes, and for good reason. But we're talking about real, tangible progress with a rough timeline for bringing products to market. That part is new and wasn't the case just 2 years ago.
I see that I am not the only one with a wary eye on Toyota. I have purchased quite a few Toyotas over the past 30 years, but I will not purchase another one. While many economists are applauding Toyota for remaining fixated on hybrids and realizing huge profits, I am repulsed by the world's #1 automaker being consumed with corporate greed by not embracing EVs. Just think how much further ahead our EV infrastructure would be if Toyota had taken a leadership approach, similar to Tesla, moving us forward to our inevitable EV future.
Totally agree. I would not buy another Toyota or Lexus ever, simply because of their shitty stance on EVs.
I don’t agree if we can get widespread curbside l2 charging and apartment garage charging. People need to fill up gas tanks all the time because there’s no home gas hose. EV owners only L3 charge on their long trips and they need to pee and eat and check their email. 20 minutes is plenty fast for road-trip charging. As long as people can charge at home or at hotels while they’re sleeping don’t need 5minute roadside chargers.
wow that’s some bladder you have. But anyway EVs only need to appeal to 90 or 95% of users, not 100% of users. Right now I feel if people were fully informed we’d be at close to 50% in most markets.
You say corporate greed like it’s not supposed to be that way.
Guess I should have said 10's of millions, but that kinda misses the point. It's about charging power, not the batteries. Of course batteries will get better, but vehicle mileage is not likely to by much. For the same basic vehicle size, miles/kWh is likely to only improve marginally (a small amount as batteries get a tad lighter). A 5 minute charge is gonna require something in the neighborhood of 600kW avg, as I noted. And I don't see that being widespread for thousands of stations and 10's of thousands of chargers in the next 10-15 years.
And it's ironic what people consider "mistakes". Most legacy automakers are making good profits from their ICE vehicles and are losing big money on their EVs (like Ford). Yet some consider not building even more EVs a "mistake".
