Car Broken into while locked

[DevSecOps]

I didn't post anything about this but the other day I turned off BT on my phone in order to get my R1T to sleep (I was testing something). I went to the MME, opened the door and drove away.

When I was a few miles down the road I was like, wait a minute, how did I start the car with BT disabled. I thought, surely it was re-enabled somehow. Pulled my phone out and looked and it was still off. I have no idea how I started the car and drove it away. I didn't have a fob anywhere near the car. Both fobs were in a lock box over 100' away.

Also, the multiple sensors in the mach-e used for BLE PaaK detection are supposed to triangulate the range of the device. It's not supposed to open from far away. A car parked on the street should not open when someone is inside the house. Likewise, the car shouldn't start unless the phone is triangulated to be within the cabin of the vehicle.

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[DevSecOps]

As a follow up to my previous reply. I just attempted this again. I turned off BT, verified in FP that it was off, verified in my phone that it was off, went to the car, opened the door and started the car.

This shouldn't happen. Something is wonky...

See a couple posts down: https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/car-broken-into-while-locked.29779/post-677869

 

[Logal727]

As a follow up to my previous reply. I just attempted this again. I turned off BT, verified in FP that it was off, verified in my phone that it was off, went to the car, opened the door and started the car.

This shouldn't happen. Something is wonky...

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Does Android actually turn off the Bluetooth module when you do it from quick settings? I know if you turn off BT on iPhone from the top right corner swip down menu, it doesn’t actually turn everything off, so stuff like your watch can stay connected, the Mach-E is a similar type of BT connection. You’d have to make sure the entire BT radio is off through the BT menu.

 

[DevSecOps]

Does Android actually turn off the Bluetooth module when you do it from quick settings? I know if you turn off BT on iPhone from the top right corner swip down menu, it doesn’t actually turn everything off, so stuff like your watch can stay connected, the Mach-E is a similar type of BT connection. You’d have to make sure the entire BT radio is off through the BT menu.

It does disconnect everything. Android settings are the same in both places. If I manually go into settings it will show that it's turned off there as well. FP even says it's off as does the Rivian app. Watch was disconnected as well. PaaK should not be working with BT disabled.

Additional data point, I was at home both times. The car knows I'm at home, which would be the same for the OP. So, could this be something Ford did to help reduce the PaaK problems at home?

I've reported this already and they are looking into it. It could very well be a bug with Android as well where it's not being disabled, but strange that it appears to everything that it is.

Edit: Additional data point - Powered off my phone completely and left it off. Car still unlocked and started.

See a couple posts down: https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/car-broken-into-while-locked.29779/post-677869

 

[Mach-Lee]

It does disconnect everything. Android settings are the same in both places. If I manually go into settings it will show that it's turned off there as well. FP even says it's off as does the Rivian app. Watch was disconnected as well. PaaK should not be working with BT disabled.

Additional data point, I was at home both times. The car knows I'm at home, which would be the same for the OP. So, could this be something Ford did to help reduce the PaaK problems at home?

I've reported this already and they are looking into it. It could very well be a bug with Android as well where it's not being disabled, but strange that it appears to everything that it is.

Edit: Additional data point - Powered off my phone completely and left it off. Car still unlocked and started.

And there are no fobs stored in the car? They still work without battery when close enough to the antennas. Faraday shields also aren't 100% foolproof.

Also try without your phone. iPhones still leave BLE active when off unless specially disabled.

 

[DevSecOps]

And there are no fobs stored in the car? They still work without battery when close enough to the antennas. Faraday shields also aren't 100% foolproof.

Also try without your phone. iPhones still leave BLE active when off unless specially disabled.

I had a piece of a dissembled FOB that I was testing with, and forgot about, at the very bottom of the center console. No battery and in a Faraday bag and it was what was causing the car to start. That's wild.

Ok, so ignore everything I said previously... I'm gonna take the L here and move on. Thanks Lee.

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