CarsGuide - Electric cars must be 'insanely great' because customers don't care about being 'green': Ford

[nvabill]

Interesting take on solar.

https://hbr.org/2021/06/the-dark-side-of-solar-power

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[nvabill]

A company cannot remove themselves from the grid. Yes, a person can make a cabin in the woods off the grid, but a company has to run a business and they utilize various power sources. If wind isn't present and sun isn't shining, today there doesn't exist battery capacity to run a manufacturing plant on batteries, so they need the grid.

My point exactly and since the grid is mostly powered by coal and natural gas, fossil fuels, I stand by my opinion that wind and solar is not sustainable. But, again, I have an open mind and I am willing to be proven wrong.

 

[dtbaker61]

I wasn't referring to EV charging stations or organizations, I was speaking about wind and solar in general, I don't believe it is sustainable but I'm willing to be proven wrong.

My first question to you would be how do you define 'sustainable'..

My next question is what aspects of wind and solar do you think are not sustainable?

And my last observation is this topic probably should not be carried on inside this thread but elsewhere on the form or perhaps in a different form completely

 

[Scooby24]

We would all be driving bolts or leafs if he was wrong. He's not. EVs need to be exciting for mass adoption.

 

[RickMachE]

My point exactly and since the grid is mostly powered by coal and natural gas, fossil fuels, I stand by my opinion that wind and solar is not sustainable. But, again, I have an open mind and I am willing to be proven wrong.

I have better things to do than debate any of this with anyone, because there is so much information out there and so much of it isn't correct.

I strongly recommend you read Bill Gates' book How to Avoid a Climate Disaster: The Solutions We Have and the Breakthroughs We Need. Forget what you think of the man, he does a great summary of the types of power available, and explains in terms that a 6th grader can understand how some energy sources aren't able to make more than a small dent. He does a square foot comparison of things like wind vs. solar. And shows how we MUST switch from coal and natural gas to nuclear at some point.

 

[nvabill]

My first question to you would be how do you define 'sustainable'..

My next question is what aspects of wind and solar do you think are not sustainable?

And my last observation is this topic probably should not be carried on inside this thread but elsewhere on the form or perhaps in a different form completely

Edit - You're right this whole thread should be in off topic area as it's not about the Mach E in general. @Administrator can this be moved to off topic area?

 

[nvabill]

I have better things to do than debate any of this with anyone, because there is so much information out there and so much of it isn't correct.

I strongly recommend you read Bill Gates' book How to Avoid a Climate Disaster: The Solutions We Have and the Breakthroughs We Need. Forget what you think of the man, he does a great summary of the types of power available, and explains in terms that a 6th grader can understand how some energy sources aren't able to make more than a small dent. He does a square foot comparison of things like wind vs. solar. And shows how we MUST switch from coal and natural gas to nuclear at some point.

Thanks Rick, I'll give it a look.

 

[dtbaker61]

My definition of sustainable means that you will no longer need fossil fuels to produce electricity, after all isn't that the whole point of wind and solar.

The parts of not sustainable I am referring to are the complete replacement and no longer a need to use fossil fuels.

As for where this should be discussed I guess I missed the whole point of the OP's posting. Isn't it about people not caring about being "Green"?

so..... if your definition of sustainable is 'not using fossil fuels to produce electricity', how are wind turbines and PV modules not sustainable?

I'm guessing you are going to launch into arguing that the (indirect) energy used to manufacture mine and process the hardware.... but that's not part of your definition; and more and more of mining, processing, and mfg is being done with electricity supplied by .... wind and solar to make the glass and aluminum, copper wire, etc.

muddling together the degree of sustainability of 'fuel' and the 'hardware' needed to produce, capture, and use electricity is counter-productive. Lets just stick the the fuel, and I'll ask again:

Exactly how is Wind/Solar energy NOT sustainable?

I would say that while the wind and solar industry is not quite completely green and the manufacturing side still uses 'dirty energy', and is still developing recycle loops for batteries and used/broken PV modules, you cannot logically defend a statement that wind and sun energy is not sustainable..... by your very own definition.

 

[nvabill]

I'm guessing you are going to launch into arguing................

Nope, I shouldn't have chimed in at all, I love my Mach E and I will see where the future takes us.

 

[Guss-E 2021]

Uh, solution to exactly what, I'm confused, I thought we were trying to save the planet?

Solution to slowing climate change (particularly warming from greenhouse gas emissions) that continues to f@#@! our way of life. Better?

 

[AZBill]

I vote for insanely fun, that is why I have a Hummer EV reservation.

 

[dtbaker61]

Nope, I shouldn't have chimed in at all, I love my Mach E and I will see where the future takes us.

I like my MME..... I dunno about 'insanely good', but I'll say damn good for 1st model year.
I dislike the ponderously slow and ineffective Ford Corporate customer support...
I think the huge batteries in BEVs will be a significant part of the solution set in energy management as we move forward decentralizing the existing Grid and form micro-grids at the Distribution level

 

[nvabill]

Solution to slowing climate change (particularly warming from greenhouse gas emissions) that continues to f@#@! our way of life. Better?

You got it.

 

[nvabill]

I vote for insanely fun, that is why I have a Hummer EV reservation.

Sweet!

 

[The Black Horse]

I personally didn't get this car to go green. There are 100 companies doing about 90% of all the damage to the earth.

Trying to pass on the onus of saving the planet to the individual consumer is laughable. Go to the route of the issue. Major corporations would rather save a buck today than worry about tomorrow.

rant over. ohe actually, let me also throw in a "fuck billionaires" while I'm at it.

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