Copilot360 vs Tesla Autopilot

[haruky]

As I continue my search for a car, I’m curious if anyone here has been driving their car without a bluecruise subscription.

I understand that the MME has hands-on lane centering on all roads similar to Teslas free Autopilot (not FSD). It’s a big deal to me since i have a long commute, often in stop and go traffic, and would like to have some driving help from the car. Especially in stop and go situations. Tesla autopilot did a great job in that arena.

How does the MME CoPilot perform? Is it as good as the free Tesla Autopilot? Is it good enough to use for 90% of your drive, including local roads and semi sharp curves?

Also, is it able to basically do everything that having a BlueCruise subscription does except that you have to keep hands on wheel?

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[gregsfortytwo]

None of Ford’s driving assists are designed to function on surface streets. It works pretty well on freeways and their sharper curves, although if you turn off some of its predictive speed changes it gets more likely to disengage on them.

It’s one of my favorite features in modern L2 systems; that they have a defined driving domain and don’t lull people into believing they’re safe in any driving environment.

 

[Billyk24]

Tesla AutoPilot does not exist anymore in Canada and the USA. It was put in the graveyard in an attempt to increase FSD usage and corresponding monthly fee of $99.00. Forums such as Teslamotorclub.com has details.

 

[haruky]

None of Ford’s driving assists are designed to function on surface streets. It works pretty well on freeways and their sharper curves, although if you turn off some of its predictive speed changes it gets more likely to disengage on them.

It’s one of my favorite features in modern L2 systems; that they have a defined driving domain and don’t lull people into believing they’re safe in any driving environment.

I thought that standard CoPilot was able to do basic lane centering as long as you hand your hands on the steering wheel. I had a very brief experience with it when I test drove it a few months ago but didn’t get an extensive look at it and was hoping to get more insight.

 

[gregsfortytwo]

I thought that standard CoPilot was able to do basic lane centering as long as you hand your hands on the steering wheel. I had a very brief experience with it when I test drove it a few months ago but didn’t get an extensive look at it and was hoping to get more insight.

If the lane is marked on both sides it can activate and it will do very okay. The residential commuter street I live on, it’s willing to try but the curves are sharp enough it can’t reliably sustain things.
It’s definitely not tuned for such environments and doesn’t try to push the edge, although for anything high-speed with controlled access it holds up.

 

[haruky]

If the lane is marked on both sides it can activate and it will do very okay. The residential commuter street I live on, it’s willing to try but the curves are sharp enough it can’t reliably sustain things.
It’s definitely not tuned for such environments and doesn’t try to push the edge, although for anything high-speed with controlled access it holds up.

I think that’s pretty similar to autopilot. I wouldn’t try autopilot on any unmarked roads and definitely wouldn’t trust it on sharp turns like a roundabout.

I would mostly be on marked lanes in local city roads 99% of the time.

 

[ChehRob]

None of Ford’s driving assists are designed to function on surface streets. It works pretty well on freeways and their sharper curves, although if you turn off some of its predictive speed changes it gets more likely to disengage on them.

It’s one of my favorite features in modern L2 systems; that they have a defined driving domain and don’t lull people into believing they’re safe in any driving environment.

Most of the ADAS functions on city and country roads. Lane keeping, slowing for curves, pedestrian, cycle, and other vehicles braking to avoid colliding, lane keeping assistance, advanced cruise control. and more.

 

[haruky]

Most of the ADAS functions on city and country roads. Lane keeping, slowing for curves, pedestrian, cycle, and other vehicles braking to avoid colliding, lane keeping assistance, advanced cruise control. and more.

Do you know if there are significant differences between MY 2024-2025 in the basic ADAS features (without BlueCruise)?

 

[Blue highway]

Tesla AutoPilot does not exist anymore in Canada and the USA. It was put in the graveyard in an attempt to increase FSD usage and corresponding monthly fee of $99.00. Forums such as Teslamotorclub.com has details.

it is still here on existing Teslas, just with a new name.

 

[Billyk24]

it is still here on existing Teslas, just with a new name.

Not true. Auto steer which is lane centering does not exist anymore. Adaptive cruise control does remain.

 

[E90alex]

I very much prefer the ADAS in the Mach-E over the basic Tesla Autopilot.

I absolutely hated basic Tesla Autopilot with how restrictive it was. It locked the steering into strictly center of the lane and does not let you deviate. If you try to deviate from what it wants (like bias to one side to avoid a pothole or to give more space for whatever reason), it kicks you out of Autopilot completely and you have to manually turn it on again. You also could not change lanes without kicking out of Autopilot completely and you have to manually turn it on Autopilot. Constantly on and off and on and off….bing bong, bong bing, bing bong, bong bing…..

In the Mach-E you can override the steering and change lanes without completely canceling the system. It will just pause assistance until you are recentered again and automatically resume assistance. And even if you override the steering, the speed control is still active.

 

[RyZt]

I very much prefer the ADAS in the Mach-E over the basic Tesla Autopilot.

I absolutely hated basic Tesla Autopilot with how restrictive it was. It locked the steering into strictly center of the lane and does not let you deviate. If you try to deviate from what it wants (like bias to one side to avoid a pothole or to give more space for whatever reason), it kicks you out of Autopilot completely and you have to manually turn it on again. You also could not change lanes without kicking out of Autopilot completely and you have to manually turn it on Autopilot. Constantly on and off and on and off….bing bong, bong bing, bing bong, bong bing…..

In the Mach-E you can override the steering and change lanes without completely canceling the system. It will just pause assistance until you are recentered again and automatically resume assistance. And even if you override the steering, the speed control is still active.

I totally agree with this post. I drove a rental Y in Germany for a week with AutoPilot 3 years ago (after having driven my Mach E for 2 years). Since I had a 2021, I spent much time driving it without bluecruise.

in addition to the on off issue, I have two additional issues: Tesla forces wiper on auto with Auto Pilot (I think they removed this forcing later with an OTA). Also, I hold the steering wheel with minimal torque when using lane centering, and Tesla is much worse at detecting my hand than the Mach E.

 

[corradoborg]

Do you know if there are significant differences between MY 2024-2025 in the basic ADAS features (without BlueCruise)?

No significant differences between the two model years' ADAS without BlueCruise.

*With* BlueCruise, when handsfree mode is active, the 2025s [BC 1.5] will automatically change lanes (when a lane on the left is available) to pass slower drivers ahead of you, whereas the 2024s [hardware limited to BC 1.3] will only change lanes after a driver prompt (by tapping the turn signal in the direction you want to move).

 

[noway]

I have a model Y from 2021 also, and we do not have FSD here, so we still have the normal autopilot with lane centering. And driving both cars I see the Tesla as pure crap. The lane centering is on or off, and any override turns it off. And turning it on is manually any time, regardless of what turned it off. When on it require speed limit recognision from map, and the speed limit in Tesla maps has so many errors the autopilot is just useless. Whenever it is on it will hard brake for phantom objects or cars in oposite lanes about every 30 km. Mostly not just brake, but full emergency brake because of cars in oposite lane.

In tunnels it consistently emergency brakes for the light reflection from fog from oncoming cars, it sees the fog as a hard obstacle.

So even if I can say it is better than others on following lanes, it becomes pure crap from things like not allowing small corrections with steering wheel just for moving sideways in lane, and that it CONSTANTLY goes into full emergency brake for anything all the time.

I assume the FSD is better since it apparently is completely separate software, but the Basic system is not far from completely useless.

On the other side, the autoparking in Tesla is absolutely the best!!

 

[JohnFoxeSheets]

I very much prefer the ADAS in the Mach-E over the basic Tesla Autopilot.

I absolutely hated basic Tesla Autopilot with how restrictive it was. It locked the steering into strictly center of the lane and does not let you deviate. If you try to deviate from what it wants (like bias to one side to avoid a pothole or to give more space for whatever reason), it kicks you out of Autopilot completely and you have to manually turn it on again. You also could not change lanes without kicking out of Autopilot completely and you have to manually turn it on Autopilot. Constantly on and off and on and off….bing bong, bong bing, bing bong, bong bing…..

In the Mach-E you can override the steering and change lanes without completely canceling the system. It will just pause assistance until you are recentered again and automatically resume assistance. And even if you override the steering, the speed control is still active.

Totally agree, 100%

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