Criteria for your Next EV?

[DustyShades]

Sigh… ok guys before we devolve into another 18-page thread about whether range matters or not - it matters to a lot of people. It may not matter to you, and that’s fine, but at least some cars need to be designed for extended ranges.

Beyond the coasts, there are huge areas of the country where DCFC is sparse. And there are lots of people who take numerous road trips per year. And even when you can find a DCFC every 50 miles (fat chance that happens anytime soon), some people don’t want to get out and charge every 100-150 miles, even if it only takes 15mins per stop. They want to get on the road and freaking drive for hours at a time. I drive 500 miles and 7hrs to Denver a couple times a year in an ICE, and I stop once each way.

Saying, too bad, learn to stop more often, is snobby.

I’m not saying “too bad, learn to charge more often”. I’m saying that I think people are misattributing their own pain point and it’s captured by your last statement about wanting to be on the road. Faster charging guarantees that you spend more time on the road and less time at the charger. Longer range does not. The only time longer range addresses that issue is if you can hit your destination in 1 go without stopping at all. Which, fair. But at the same time, the cost of adding that additional battery and range is it worth it to you if in that range of trip if you would only need to stop once for 15 mins or less?

Idk, to me after having been on a few multi day trips myself, the clear answer is faster charging over more range. I want to spend as little total time as possible at chargers and get to my destination ASAP. That’s my preference and why I am not interested in more range at all. Who cares if I can go further without stopping when I am going to spend just as much time in a Walmart parking lot and potentially even more time depending on the battery size and efficiency you have after adding that extra range

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[KPal64]

The only thing I really want is the Mach e with a flawless FordPass app. Is that too much to I ask for in an EV? Oh and updated BlueCruise maps; mine expired before purchase in October and Ford hasn’t been able to rectify.

 

[phil]

Sigh… ok guys before we devolve into another 18-page thread about whether range matters or not

The question you asked was: "Criteria for your Next EV?"

If you don't want to see the answers, then don't ask the question.

 

[Mach1E]

For me to consider selling the GTPE, I would have to find something affordable that’s faster and better looking.

Speed and looks are what made me buy it in the first place.

Range and charging? Don’t even make the top 10 list for me. I don’t think I’ve ever been below 50% charge and I took delivery in October 2021.

They could make the 2025 Mach E have 500 miles range and triple the charging speed and I wouldn’t even consider it……. Unless it’s faster and better looking.

 

[kennethjk]

The Mach E does well in most cases. The only few wants I have are a softer or more compliant suspension. I prefer sport tuned but the Mach e gets harsh sometimes. Around 250-300 mile range is fine but faster charging would be very nice. Lastly improved HVAC performance this would probably take using a heat pump and electrically heated and cooled seats, including seat bolsters, door panels, foot wells, center council, and arm rests, rear seats, and possibly headliner.

Using electric radiant heat is way more efficient than even a heat pump.

The closest vehicle on the horizon to what would be ideal for me is the new Porsche Macan EV

The Macan EV is the one I am waiting for. We shall see how it looks and performs, but if anything like the ICE version it will be a winner

 

[kennethjk]

The only thing I really want is the Mach e with a flawless FordPass app. Is that too much to I ask for in an EV? Oh and updated BlueCruise maps; mine expired before purchase in October and Ford hasn’t been able to rectify.

How about an HVBJB that won’t break?

 

[RedDragon]

800v architecture so we can charge faster.
More efficient thermal management system ( heat pump, etc)
A more refined app.

Honestly the Kia EV 9 AND the Ioniq 7 have me very interested, when they come out. That EGMP platform has some nice EV tech in it (including the things above). I don't know about their app though - never seen it.

 

[Blue highway]

Wants for the next car:

• Reliable software (the daily APIM reboot to fix driver profile is unacceptable)
• 800v or higher architecture (cuts DCFC time in half vs 400v)
• Heat pump (better winter range.. winter here means 46 degrees)
• Improved driver assist. (better interstate performance than BC 1.0, I don't care about small roads)
• 250 miles range or greater

By the time I trade, I expect the next car will be at least a gen 2 car which I expect to meet the ticks above. However, I am also expecting Ford to eventually fix the driver profile glitch which is now a daily aggravation... It will either be fixed or the car will be traded. Not sure of the timing but my patience is worn out on this.

 

[Mirak]

The question you asked was: "Criteria for your Next EV?"

If you don't want to see the answers, then don't ask the question.

Um, I wasn’t criticizing the criteria of others. I was responding to criticism of my criteria. There is a difference.

 

[Mirak]

I’m not saying “too bad, learn to charge more often”. I’m saying that I think people are misattributing their own pain point and it’s captured by your last statement about wanting to be on the road. Faster charging guarantees that you spend more time on the road and less time at the charger. Longer range does not. The only time longer range addresses that issue is if you can hit your destination in 1 go without stopping at all. Which, fair. But at the same time, the cost of adding that additional battery and range is it worth it to you if in that range of trip if you would only need to stop once for 15 mins or less?

Idk, to me after having been on a few multi day trips myself, the clear answer is faster charging over more range. I want to spend as little total time as possible at chargers and get to my destination ASAP. That’s my preference and why I am not interested in more range at all. Who cares if I can go further without stopping when I am going to spend just as much time in a Walmart parking lot and potentially even more time depending on the battery size and efficiency you have after adding that extra range

I understand your point, but it is founded on a false premise that we have to choose between charging longer or charging more frequently. That is premised on today’s technology.

I am talking about the future tech, not yet in mass production, that will make this choice far less significant. Tech where I can get around 350mi of highway range AND only need about 15min to fill back up. Essentially, tech that more closely replicates the ICE experience. This is the experience I am waiting for before upgrading.

And when that arrives it really won’t matter whether you want to stop three times for 5mins each, or once for 15mins.

 

[ARK]

I plan on holding onto my Mach-E for a long time too. For me, when the time comes, I’d want it to be:

-electric
-SUV
-able to drive in 2PD mode
-perforated seats
-light interior
-not dark exterior
-sporty
-great looking/interesting vehicle

If my Mach-E got into a crash and was totaled, I would strongly consider waiting on a Fisker Ocean.

 

[azerik]

How many people asking for super fast charing super big batteries for less than $60k, drive out of town with or without an ICE enough for that to be the top thing for their next EV (which looks to be 5 to 10 years out).
More range, requires more cell, requires more weight, better tires, lower kw/h in town, that much longer to pre-condition.
I figure we're 10 years out on some really significant chemistry and efficiency break throughs. And the auto manuf's are going to be another 5 or more years behind being able to put that into something. And it'll still rely on charging that is built on a shoestring budget and is now 30+ years old. It's going to be as amazing as Gigabit over twisted pair and as reliable.

 

[Mirak]

How many people asking for super fast charing super big batteries for less than $60k, drive out of town with or without an ICE enough for that to be the top thing for their next EV (which looks to be 5 to 10 years out).
More range, requires more cell, requires more weight, better tires, lower kw/h in town, that much longer to pre-condition.
I figure we're 10 years out on some really significant chemistry and efficiency break throughs. And the auto manuf's are going to be another 5 or more years behind being able to put that into something. And it'll still rely on charging that is built on a shoestring budget and is now 30+ years old. It's going to be as amazing as Gigabit over twisted pair and as reliable.

Me, for one. And I agree such advances are probably 5-10 years out. Which is optimal timing to replace my Mach E. Which is the point of this thread.

 

[azerik]

When you said next. For some that’s next week. Others when the lease is up. Some 10 years.

 

[Mirak]

When you said next. For some that’s next week. Others when the lease is up. Some 10 years.

Agree that people have different timelines, and different criteria, and sometimes those criteria depend upon the timeline, and vice versa.

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