Do 2025s have better range than previous years?

[drjimtaylor]

I just bought a 2025 Premium AWD extended battery after turning in my 2023 near-end-of-lease with same specs.

I did my usual drive from Marin County, north of SF, to my cabin on Donner Summit. 178 miles, flat for the 1st 125, then long climb up to 7000'.

In my 2023, I was able to make it without stopping to charge if I drove 65mph during the winter (70 other seasons) and I'd end up with ~15% left "in the tank." I do have range anxiety and am constantly looking at the gauges. When I started out, Waze would typically say that I would arrive with 7%, but that prediction would always rise by ~10% during the drive. I knew I would make it comfortably if I passed Auburn (the start of the climb) with 50% charge. I always pre-conditioned during the winter.

I did my 1st drive in my 2025 up to my cabin yesterday and there was significant improvement. I passed Auburn with 57% charge (driving 1/2 65mph and 1/2 70 before Auburn, and arrived at my cabin with 22% remaining. The weather was comfortable, 50s in Marin, 60s through the Central Valley, and high 30s at my cabin. I didn't pre-condition.

Could this be due to the heat pump, improved battery performance, what?

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[AKgrampy]

I believe the definitive answer is nobody knows for sure. Ford has not ”bragged” about any increase which leads me to believe there is none or minimal at best. I would suggest any improvement is due to weather conditions and driving. There are a couple other threads that have been discussing this issue.

 

[robi]

I would think some level of battery degradation on your 2023 versus a new 2025 battery is part of the equation. My experience so far is based on a 2025 Premium AWD with the extended range battery. My observation so far after 5 months of ownership and just hitting 10,000 miles is that the 300 mile range is a theoretical maximum range under ideal temperatures starting at 100%. I’ve adjusted my expectations to think more in terms of 210 - 220 miles working in the 20% - 80% windows with colder temperatures. I’m hoping that goes up to 220-240 miles with warmer temperatures coming.

 

[AliRafiee]

It’s probably the difference between E-Heat and the heat pump.

 

[erwinsto70]

I just bought a 2025 Premium AWD extended battery after turning in my 2023 near-end-of-lease with same specs.

I did my usual drive from Marin County, north of SF, to my cabin on Donner Summit. 178 miles, flat for the 1st 125, then long climb up to 7000'.

In my 2023, I was able to make it without stopping to charge if I drove 65mph during the winter (70 other seasons) and I'd end up with ~15% left "in the tank." I do have range anxiety and am constantly looking at the gauges. When I started out, Waze would typically say that I would arrive with 7%, but that prediction would always rise by ~10% during the drive. I knew I would make it comfortably if I passed Auburn (the start of the climb) with 50% charge. I always pre-conditioned during the winter.

I did my 1st drive in my 2025 up to my cabin yesterday and there was significant improvement. I passed Auburn with 57% charge (driving 1/2 65mph and 1/2 70 before Auburn, and arrived at my cabin with 22% remaining. The weather was comfortable, 50s in Marin, 60s through the Central Valley, and high 30s at my cabin. I didn't pre-condition.

Could this be due to the heat pump, improved battery performance, what?

Waze gave you battery charge information? My version doesn't do that.

 

[drjimtaylor]

Waze gave you battery charge information? My version doesn't do that.

Yeah, it's relatively new development. And it is so valuable because the range estimate on the upper left of the instrument screen doesn't account for terrain, weather, etc. I have found the expected remaining charge info really accurate. I'm an Android guy. Maybe not on iPhone?

 

[erwinsto70]

Yeah, it's relatively new development. And it is so valuable because the range estimate on the upper right of the instrument screen doesn't account for terrain, weather, etc. I have found the expected remaining charge info really accurate. I'm an Android guy. Maybe not on iPhone?

I am android as well. I typically use Google maps specifically because of that. But if waze has it now, I may never switch. I will see if I have an update that enables it for me now. Thanks. Really good to know.

 

[GreaseMonkey]

I believe the definitive answer is nobody knows for sure. Ford has not ”bragged” about any increase which leads me to believe there is none or minimal at best. I would suggest any improvement is due to weather conditions and driving. There are a couple other threads that have been discussing this issue.

“Range” per se (as in 300 miles) is likely the same because ford measures it at a constant temp that’s higher than what op experienced. However heat pump will impact the difference in range between summer and winter. So that impact is not advertised or bragged about by ford or anyone else. But it’s real and impactful nonetheless.

 

[mrblanc]

Huh. Wonder if Waze preconditions when you navigate to a charger if it has battery info now

 

[erwinsto70]

Huh. Wonder if Waze preconditions when you navigate to a charger if it has battery info now

I have not been able to see the battery info. It won't even let me identify my specific vehicle. My understanding is that it does not do the preconditioning. Apparently the plumbing is a bit different from Google maps and can't communicate to initiate it. Hopefully that changes at some point.

 

[Dnorwood98]

Yeah, it's relatively new development. And it is so valuable because the range estimate on the upper right of the instrument screen doesn't account for terrain, weather, etc. I have found the expected remaining charge info really accurate. I'm an Android guy. Maybe not on iPhone?

The range estimate will take into account terrain if you use the built in connected navigation.

 

[MachScott]

The EPA mileage range from the window sticker of a 2023 MME Premium AWD is 290. For the same setup in 2024 to 26 it went to 300 I believe.

It is my understanding from a @Mach-Lee post back in 2024 is that was the year the rear motor in all MME went from a Borg-Warner motor used from 21 to 23 to an in house motor for 24-26 developed by Ford for the F150 that was lighter and more efficient. For the 24-26 Premium and Select AWD ER MMEs the front motor is also different giving more HP and torque. Maybe this motor is more efficient too.

A difference in 2025 and carried to 26 is the ER battery for Premiums and Selects is physically smaller having 360 cells instead of 376 cells for 24 and earlier. This resulted in 88kwh capacity instead of 91 before. This I assume would mean less weight and more efficiency.

 

[Billyk24]

I just bought a 2025 Premium AWD extended battery after turning in my 2023 near-end-of-lease with same specs.

I did my usual drive from Marin County, north of SF, to my cabin on Donner Summit. 178 miles, flat for the 1st 125, then long climb up to 7000'.

In my 2023, I was able to make it without stopping to charge if I drove 65mph during the winter (70 other seasons) and I'd end up with ~15% left "in the tank." I do have range anxiety and am constantly looking at the gauges. When I started out, Waze would typically say that I would arrive with 7%, but that prediction would always rise by ~10% during the drive. I knew I would make it comfortably if I passed Auburn (the start of the climb) with 50% charge. I always pre-conditioned during the winter.

I did my 1st drive in my 2025 up to my cabin yesterday and there was significant improvement. I passed Auburn with 57% charge (driving 1/2 65mph and 1/2 70 before Auburn, and arrived at my cabin with 22% remaining. The weather was comfortable, 50s in Marin, 60s through the Central Valley, and high 30s at my cabin. I didn't pre-condition.

Could this be due to the heat pump, improved battery performance, what?

One important data point not mentioned is "battery temperature". That can be more important than outdoor temperature. Here is a something not often considered: the Mach E has a battery pack that allows (cold) air to rush over the top, bottom and sides of it causing excess thermal conductive heat losses. I assume that battery pack design did not change with the 25 and 26 model year. If the heat pump equipped vehicles did warm the battery pack more, it is wasted with the conductive heat loss design. The newer drive motor(s) are likely more responsible for efficiency gains than the heat pump.

 

[AKgrampy]

“Range” per se (as in 300 miles) is likely the same because ford measures it at a constant temp that’s higher than what op experienced. However heat pump will impact the difference in range between summer and winter. So that impact is not advertised or bragged about by ford or anyone else. But it’s real and impactful nonetheless.

Well I will find out for myself as I am replacing my 22GT with a 26GT.

 

[GreaseMonkey]

Well I will find out for myself as I am replacing my 22GT with a 26GT.

Congrats. It would be thrilling if the pump would give you a measurable improvement in efficiency, given the extreme temps your vehicle operates under. Cautiously optimistic.

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