Grass Not Always Greener

[MachEMaster]

https://driving.ca/auto-news/driver...ai-kia-genesis-ev-models-class-action-lawsuit

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[dj_stang]

Frunk in Fordpass, 5 second power limit? Methinks there are lawyers lurking in the forum. Haha I'm just kidding!
... unless? ...

 

[Logal727]

https://driving.ca/auto-news/driver...ai-kia-genesis-ev-models-class-action-lawsuit

Yup, Hyundai hasn’t handled this well. No brand is perfect.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

Frunk in Fordpass, 5 second power limit? Methinks there are lawyers lurking in the forum. Haha I'm just kidding!
... unless? ...

I know of three lawyers who are active participants in the forum and have been since before the first delivery. Oh no!

 

[tbrumleve]

Growing pains in a new era. Perfection is years away.

 

[BigMach-E]

Yeah, the main thing Hyundai could have done here is a little more transparency. Something like a bulletin to owner’s letting them know the situation, then giving them a choice: install this software that will make L2 derate instead of fail, or not, and let them know you are working towards a real fix.

 

[SWO]

https://driving.ca/auto-news/driver...ai-kia-genesis-ev-models-class-action-lawsuit

I went to the Ioniq5 forum to see if this is a real problem or just lawyers looking for a payday. Looks like there's quite a few people having the issue and replacing the onboard charger/charge port is not fixing the issue.

One interesting tidbit is the thread starter who owns an Ioniq6 saying that Hyundai tried to pay him $500 to go away. ?

https://www.ioniqforum.com/threads/class-action-overheating-l2-charger.46524/

Have to point out the irony that so many folks picked the Ioniq 5 / EV6 because of charging speed (when most charging should be at home...where now people are having issues).

 

[Teslaeata]

Maybe it’s overdue that somebody takes manufacturers to law about [mis]representing that a car will perform in a particular way, safely and properly , then, because of a part which is poorly designed and/or made fails, and is know to fail when the car performs as it is represented it will, instead of changing the poorly designed or poorly built part for one that does perform as it it supposed to when the car performs the way it’s represented it should, makers are allowed to opt for the cheap option and get away with, not changing the defective part, but altering the way the car was represented it would perform in the first place so the part isn’t exposed to the operating conditions it is supposed to work under as represented.

I’ve not experienced this myself with the reprogramming to resolve the contactor, or the whining transmissions though my car may have been reprogrammed and I just don’t notice because of how I use it, and it appears other makers are allowed to adopt the same approach.

I expected that the US NHTSA wouldn’t allow that because they seem to have teeth and aren’t frightened to use them, the UK’s DVSA is another matter because the UK’s Safety Recall scheme is voluntary and in my experience makers do what they want, how they want and DVSA just agree and rarely, in my view & experience, attempt to flex muscles which they don’t have in any case.

 

[thekat03]

Yeah, the main thing Hyundai could have done here is a little more transparency. Something like a bulletin to owner’s letting them know the situation, then giving them a choice: install this software that will make L2 derate instead of fail, or not, and let them know you are working towards a real fix.

That would be too much admitting that there's an ongoing problem. It seems many car manufacturers don't want to admit there's a problem until they can say it's fixed.

 

[Vulnox]

I think it's just going to be a wake up call to an industry that is used to going for lowest bidder and minimum viable product for as many parts as possible to keep costs down. They were likely told by a supplier that these parts will hit the performance marks and cost 10 cents/unit, and there were probably other suppliers that said to build in the component resilience long term, it would be 14 cents/unit, and Ford and Hyundai and definitely GM and others that have found themselves in similar situations ignored the 14 cent guy and went with the 10 cent one.

And why not, they have been doing it for over a century with ICE vehicles and things are generally fine, but they have enough experience to know what parts can be done cheap and which can't, and what the long term impact on those parts looks like after 100k miles. The legacy OEMs don't have many people with that same knowledge long term when it comes to contacts or onboard chargers, and they probably went the cheap route when someone at Tesla who has seen the outcome already would advise not to.

They will get there, just sucks they aren't being more proactive about resolving issues for "Early Adopters" instead of covering them up. Fix the car, take the part back for analysis, and do better next time.

 

[Murse-In-Airy]

Transparency could solve A LOT of modern problems.

Have to point out the irony that so many folks picked the Ioniq 5 / EV6 because of charging speed (when most charging should be at home...where now people are having issues).

I wouldn’t giggle too much at rue irony. Many of us are having level 2 charge speed issues as well… after an update installed remotely. Ford is also not being entirely transparent with us. This story could be republished in a couple months simply by replacing Hyundai with Ford and Ioniq with Mach-E.

 

[HGxxx]

Yeah, the main thing Hyundai could have done here is a little more transparency. Something like a bulletin to owner’s letting them know the situation, then giving them a choice: install this software that will make L2 derate instead of fail, or not, and let them know you are working towards a real fix.

Same could be said of ford. Like 5 sec limiter for example

 

[DadzBoyz]

Frunk in Fordpass, 5 second power limit? Methinks there are lawyers lurking in the forum. Haha I'm just kidding!
... unless? ...

Thread Frunk-jacking in 5….4….3….2….1

 

[jgcom]

Sometimes folks hire lawyers to challenge the laws of thermodynamics, or (to be fair) to challenge certain marketers denial of them. A naturally-aspirated ICE won't function as well at high altitude—with less air sucked into each cylinder—but a BEV won't be as effective trying to charge in a 100 F garage with no way to dissipate the heat.

I'm thinking about how a big-city apartment building will look in 30 years, with a bunch of EVs trying to charge in a summer night, crammed into the building's unventilated basement garage. They will be running their AC units trying to keep the electronics cool, making things hotter and hotter... Some things will need redesign.

 

[Mach-Lee]

Sometimes folks hire lawyers to challenge the laws of thermodynamics, or (to be fair) to challenge certain marketers denial of them. A naturally-aspirated ICE won't function as well at high altitude—with less air sucked into each cylinder—but a BEV won't be as effective trying to charge in a 100 F garage with no way to dissipate the heat.

I'm thinking about how a big-city apartment building will look in 30 years, with a bunch of EVs trying to charge in a summer night, crammed into the building's unventilated basement garage. They will be running their AC units trying to keep the electronics cool, making things hotter and hotter... Some things will need redesign.

Yes, and people in Arizona will likely need to install exhaust fans in their garages to extract the heat from charging as well. And or install some kind of cooling device in the garage like a swamp cooler.

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