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What all season tires should I purchase?
Are you interested in a smooth, quiet riding all season? Performance all season? One that gets you the most range? I have a recommendation for all three.
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Mark, you are the best. Can you give me your recommendations for all three? ?
 

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Mark, you are the best. Can you give me your recommendations for all three? ?
Jerry, I will assume you are going to want the OEM size tires (225/55/19) or you can go one size larger which I usually recommend. Mainly because the OEM size is a little too narrow for my taste.

For the smoothest riding, quietest all-seasons I recommend the Pirelli Scorpion AS Plus 3 which is a SUV Touring all-season. Available in both the OEM 225/55/19 size or one size larger 235/55/19.

Ford Mustang Mach-E Handling Screenshot 2023-07-26 at 7.11.45 PM


Going with a high performance all season tire in the 225/55/19 size my pick is the Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4. If you went up one size (235/55/19) I'd get the Continental ExtremeContact DWS 06 Plus.

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For the most range you want to stick with a dedicated EV tire. In both the 225/55/19 and 235/55/19 sizes, seems like Hankook iON eco AS SUV is the leader in that area. It is a newer tire and not many reviews on it but several members here have said good things about them.
 
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Is it an issue at the limit? Is it unbalanced? ?‍♂?

The first thing I usually do to a car is a set of anti-sway bars, then I look at how the body roll affects the contact patch and adjust static camber accordingly. I'd go for the stiffest front bar I could find, then tune the balance with a properly-selected rear bar. Since you have a Premium, I'd maybe go for the rear Koni shocks that @markboris posted about putting on before the bars. After the bars I would put on wider wheels and wider and stickier tires. Then I'd go for a lower ride height and then mess with the alignment again. After that? Lots of stuff can still be done, but those are the biggest bang for your buck items. The rest will get you small incremental increases at the expense of ride quality. The above named items won't sacrifice that much ride quality. ??
Like to jump on this because you seem to know a thing or two. I dont have much to compare it to but I feel like I’m disappointed in the performance of the P Zeros on my GTPE, its quite easy to slide and with the weight I don’t feel much confidence at the edge. I also don’t like how it sacrifices so much in terms of ride quality and still fails to meet the performance mark. Are my expectations too high/unreasonable or would a better set of UHP summers improve the experience?

The only ultra high performance ev tire out there is the Hankook which should be arriving soon, but do you have any other recommendations?
 

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The GTPE corners and handles pretty decently for how big and heavy the car is, when I change out tires I might want to go all season without sacrificing much. Just had a Miata behind me in some twisties and I thought he was having a hard time keeping up.
 


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Like to jump on this because you seem to know a thing or two. I dont have much to compare it to but I feel like I’m disappointed in the performance of the P Zeros on my GTPE, its quite easy to slide and with the weight I don’t feel much confidence at the edge. I also don’t like how it sacrifices so much in terms of ride quality and still fails to meet the performance mark. Are my expectations too high/unreasonable or would a better set of UHP summers improve the experience?

The only ultra high performance ev tire out there is the Hankook which should be arriving soon, but do you have any other recommendations?
We're kind of in a hard spot for EV-specific performance tires. Our wheels are too narrow for some of the tires I'd want to try. A few members have gone one size up on width to 265s using the Continental DWS 06+. I haven't done anywhere near as much with tires on the MME as @markboris has since I'm still on my original P-Zeroes and trying to decide on which wheels and tires I'm going to go with. Maybe Mark can chime in on your needs too. ??
 

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I also have a premium AWD my wife has an Audi TT that's a blast to drive. I wanted my car to handle a little better than stock so here goes.

First I upgraded the wheels and tires and went to UHP Summers WOW this is a huge improvement. For reference, the wheels are 20x8.5 +45 offset. For tires I did Vredestein Ultrac Vorti+ in a 255/45/20 XL 105Y. The other advantage to doing this is you can run lower pressure @36psi they support the same weight as the stock 19". Lower tire pressure = a smoother ride. Next, I put in the Steeda front and rear sway bar then the shock tower brace.

With these changes, it's a completely different car. It's on Rails

One other note on the tires UHP Summers are going to have much more precise steering and elevated handling over an all-season. Where I live this means I need to have a set of winter and set of summer tires, but its worth it

if you do not want to go through all that probably the best compromise in the stock premium size is the Michelin Pilot Sport AS 4, you will lose a little range

The Picture is from the Street Machine Nationals last weekend

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Like to jump on this because you seem to know a thing or two. I dont have much to compare it to but I feel like I’m disappointed in the performance of the P Zeros on my GTPE, its quite easy to slide and with the weight I don’t feel much confidence at the edge. I also don’t like how it sacrifices so much in terms of ride quality and still fails to meet the performance mark. Are my expectations too high/unreasonable or would a better set of UHP summers improve the experience?

The only ultra high performance ev tire out there is the Hankook which should be arriving soon, but do you have any other recommendations?
I saw that Steve mentioned me about tire recommendations and I posted a list of EV tires (that were available at the time I made that list) here #34 . At the bottom of that post I listed a few of my recommended non-EV tires. That might help.

I did want to say that while the Pirelli P Zero's on the GTPE are a very good tire, I don't feel they perform as well as they could for two reasons. One, they are way too narrow for the weight of the car and two, they are an EV specific tire which will not handle as well as a non EV, performance P Zero because of the tread formulation and sidewall construction. People see P Zero on the sidewall and think these are supposed to be Pirelli's best max performance summer tire. Pirelli makes many many P Zero tires for many car manufacturers tailored to what they want in a tire. Some are all out high performance for Ferrari's, Porsche's etc. Some are luxury P-Zero's for Bentley's, Mercedes. Some are EV P Zero's like on the Mach-E. Last I saw, they made 26 different types of P-Zero max performance summer tires.
 

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I also have a premium AWD my wife has an Audi TT that's a blast to drive. I wanted my car to handle a little better than stock so here goes.

First I upgraded the wheels and tires and went to UHP Summers WOW this is a huge improvement. For reference, the wheels are 20x8.5 +45 offset. For tires I did Vredestein Ultrac Vorti+ in a 255/45/20 XL 105Y. The other advantage to doing this is you can run lower pressure @36psi they support the same weight as the stock 19". Lower tire pressure = a smoother ride. Next, I put in the Steeda front and rear sway bar then the shock tower brace.

With these changes, it's a completely different car. It's on Rails

One other note on the tires UHP Summers are going to have much more precise steering and elevated handling over an all-season. Where I live this means I need to have a set of winter and set of summer tires, but its worth it

if you do not want to go through all that probably the best compromise in the stock premium size is the Michelin Pilot Sport AS 4, you will lose a little range

The Picture is from the Street Machine Nationals last weekend

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Again, another member Brian ^^^^ just mentioned in this post what I said earlier: #17 .

If you want your Mach-E, any model Mach-E, to handle much better, you need to do two things. Replace the OEM sway bars with the Steeda bars and buy a good set of high performance summer or all season tires. It truly transforms the car. As Brian said, I also recommend going up one size from OEM to get a bit wider tread and also don't have to run the pressure as high giving a bit better ride.
 

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@markboris what would you recommend for a GTPE in terms of an upgrade for tires and/or sway bars via a vis both handling and ride quality, if range isn’t really a concern? I figure after next winter I will be looking to replace all my tires, but I actually love the wheels on the GTPE.
 

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@markboris what would you recommend for a GTPE in terms of an upgrade for tires and/or sway bars via a vis both handling and ride quality, if range isn’t really a concern? I figure after next winter I will be looking to replace all my tires, but I actually love the wheels on the GTPE.
Again, no matter what model Mach-E, replacing both front and rear sway bars with the Steeda bars will make a huge difference.

I also like the design of the GTPE wheels and if they were wider, probably would have never replaced them on my GTPE. I would definitely go up one size over the OEM tires to 255/45/20. The tire will be a bit wider with a taller sidewall and can run a lower tire pressure (36). These will give you a bit better handling and a smoother ride. That said, if you are not concerned with range (I've never been either) these are my personal recommendations:

Living in the Bay Area you might not see snow unless you regularly go to Tahoe or similar areas and it rarely gets below 40˚ so you might want to run an ultra high performance summer tire. This will get you the best handling and keep the tires planted much better with spirited starts off the line. Going with the 255/45/20 size, I would get the Michelin Pilot Sport 4S. It is one of my favorite tires and what I ran on the Focus RS and what I run (and came stock) on the GT500. This is an all out performance tire for sure. On the down side, it's a bit noisy and rides harsh. That said, going with the Pirelli P Zero PZ4 I Star BMW KS PNCS Luxury tire (yes, that is the full model name) you will be getting most the grip of the Michelin but with a quieter, less harsh ride. This tire is made specifically for BMW for ultra high performance but with a quiet, smooth ride. It even has foam inside the tire cavity to reduce sound.

If you are wanting an all-season tire, I would stick with a ultra high performance all-season. I have three to recommend. For all out performance, the Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4 takes the top spot. However, again, it is also the nosiest, harshest riding of the bunch. Not to say it is so bad that you would not enjoy them, it's just that there are better ultra high performance all-season tires for comfort. Next up is the Continental ExtremeContact DWS 06 Plus. Not as grippy as the Michelin's but more comfortable and quieter. Last is the Pirelli P Zero All Season Star BMW. This is a unique tire in that it is one of the very few ultra high performance all-season tires that is also an EV specific tire. It is specially designed for the BMW i7 all electric sedan. I've been running this tire on the front of my GTPE for 9 months and I really really like it. It has the least grip of these three but still better than any touring all-season tire. It's also the quietest and smoothest riding of the bunch not to mention has the least rolling resistance so the best range (which again, I'm not concerned with). Sometimes these specific Pirelli's may be difficult to find (Tire Rack usually has the Star BMW's in stock) but there is a similar tire specifically made for Mercedes, the Pirelli P Zero All Season MO Mercedes Elect. I think it is a very similar tire to the Star BMW but have not personally tested this tire while I have tested all the others I've mentioned above.

One thing to note, is tire wear if you are concerned with that. Below I will list the tire wear rating at the end of each of model tire. The higher the number, the longer they wear.

Michelin Pilot Sport 4S 300
Pirelli P Zero PZ4 I Star BMW KS PNCS Luxury 280
Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4 540
Continental ExtremeContact DWS 06 Plus 560
Pirelli P Zero All Season Star BMW 500
 
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Yes, get both if you are interested in a great handling EV SUV.
It’s been a while since I looked at the thread on front sway bars.

have their issues been resolved? Rubbing and grease issues. I held off initially after I had the rear put on and then saw all the feedback about noise, squeaking and lubing , hacking off a bit of the sway bar etc.

when I had contacted Steeda about all that they said they weren’t aware of any issues, granted that was early on .

I also did see somewhere that the front was changed a bit.

would appreciate any thoughts
 

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It will handle about 100% better with both front and rear Steeda Sway bars. Transforms the car.
Someday, maybe. Too many other projects going on for what the wife would say as unnecessary. I feel like the car is more limited by traction from skinny tires than suspension, though.
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