Installing Comma.ai / OpenPilot (BlueCruise alternative)

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Excellent!

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Yep! Got a new harness and it works perfectly now

Hmmm. I just checked out my harness using AjzRide’s video as a guide & my harness seems fine. I’m going to clear any remaining codes using FORScan & giive it another try.

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[AjzRide]

I’ve seen a few that the pins going into the harness box were a little deformed and not making good contact with the harness box. You can plug the harness box in and then test continuity from the two plugs to each other.

outside the car the relay should be closed and the harness box should pass all pins through.

 

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I’ve seen a few that the pins going into the harness box were a little deformed and not making good contact with the harness box. You can plug the harness box in and then test continuity from the two plugs to each other.

outside the car the relay should be closed and the harness box should pass all pins through.

OK, I just double checked the harness box and harness, and all pins passed through with the harness box attached To the harness when not connected to the IPMA.

After that, I tried everything again, but I started short on the USB-C’s and found that it works fine if I direct connect to the short cable that came with 3X, or if I use either the 6 foot or 10 foot USB-C cable. It fails when I use both of the six and 10 foot USB-C cables. Once it fails, I can’t get it to work at all unless I take out the harness and clear the codes. This leaves me with finding a 16 foot USB 3.1 or 3.2 GEN 2 extension, or trying a couple of extensions again from another manufacturer. I used the recommended manufacturer and cables so I guess it’s a Crapshoot whether you get a pair of them that work for this purpose. I think my only other alternative is to create an Extension for the harness. It would be awesome if there was a pass-through extension available online for this type of plug. Thoughts?

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OK, I just double checked the harness box and harness, and all pins passed through with the harness box attached To the harness when not connected to the IPMA.

After that, I tried everything again, but I started short on the USB-C’s and found that it works fine if I direct connect to the short cable that came with 3X, or if I use either the 6 foot or 10 foot USB-C cable. It fails when I use both of the six and 10 foot USB-C cables. Once it fails, I can’t get it to work at all unless I take out the harness and clear the codes. This leaves me with finding a 16 foot USB 3.1 or 3.2 GEN 2 extension, or trying a couple of extensions again from another manufacturer. I used the recommended manufacturer and cables so I guess it’s a Crapshoot whether you get a pair of them that work for this purpose. I think my only other alternative is to create an Extension for the harness. It would be awesome if there was a pass-through extension available online for this type of plug. Thoughts?

Thanks

Correction: I tried it again By just hooking it up to the stock short USB cable after it failed with the extensions and it was able to run fine. So I guess I don’t have to actually clear the DTCs in order to get it to run after a failure.

 

[AjzRide]

OK, I just double checked the harness box and harness, and all pins passed through with the harness box attached To the harness when not connected to the IPMA.

After that, I tried everything again, but I started short on the USB-C’s and found that it works fine if I direct connect to the short cable that came with 3X, or if I use either the 6 foot or 10 foot USB-C cable. It fails when I use both of the six and 10 foot USB-C cables. Once it fails, I can’t get it to work at all unless I take out the harness and clear the codes. This leaves me with finding a 16 foot USB 3.1 or 3.2 GEN 2 extension, or trying a couple of extensions again from another manufacturer. I used the recommended manufacturer and cables so I guess it’s a Crapshoot whether you get a pair of them that work for this purpose. I think my only other alternative is to create an Extension for the harness. It would be awesome if there was a pass-through extension available online for this type of plug. Thoughts?

Thanks

Someone bought this one and it worked, I had forgotten about that:

https://www.amazon.com/UseBean-Tran...440&sprefix=15+foot+usb4+cable,aps,318&sr=8-3

 

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Someone bought this one and it worked, I had forgotten about that:

https://www.amazon.com/UseBean-Tran...440&sprefix=15+foot+usb4+cable,aps,318&sr=8-3

I’ll give that one a shot. ? Thanks

 

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OK! This cable actually works with my 2021 Job2 Mach-E GTPE! I feel kind of like a clumsy teenager with it at this point, but I’m getting used to the way that it handles and works. I am still getting messages regarding not having one pedal driving which I’m disappointed about, but the way that the 3X with BluePilothandles with the ACC of the Mach-E, it feels like it’s using a lot of regenerative braking anyway. I’m pretty excited about it working! I haven’t yet run the wiring to hide it, and with only 15 feet it looks like I may have to go overhead rather than under the sil plates? What would you suggest as the best way to run the wires if you only have 15 feet of cable length with a Mach-E? Thanks ?

 

[AjzRide]

I went along the headliner, not that hard to do. The trunk is the hard part.

 

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Excellent Thanks ?

 

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Thanks to AJZRide's help, I'm up and running and reporting on my recent experience with my '21 Job2 GTPE and Comma.ai 3X.

I'm really very happy with the performance of the 3X! It's an excellent alternative to BlueCruise which will require a pricey subscription for my Mach-E starting in September. Compared to BlueCruise 1.1, which I believe is the version I have, OpenPilot/BluePilot is noticeably more stable & is also able to operate on pretty much any road as opposed to BlueCruise which requires pre-mapped roads. BluePilot feels like it's on rails as it goes around curves that would cause BlueCruise to cry for mama. It also stays handsfree for pretty much as long as you like at highway speeds, & also can do stop & go traffic without requiring any input from the driver to start up after a stop. When used in Chill/Non-Experimental mode, it does the steering, while the adaptive cruise control of the Mach-E takes care of the speed control. This feels the most natural way to me to operate BluePilot with my Mach-E.

Unfortunately, a few minor issues do exist in the way BluePilot works with a Mach-E. One Pedal Driving is no longer available when using a 3X with a Mach-E, I guess because of the way that the 3X interfaces & controls the accelerator. I usually drive in Whisper or Engaged mode, but with One Pedal Drive disabled, these modes freely coast which is a feeling I don't really enjoy. Luckily, Unbridled mode engages regenerative braking as soon as you let off of the accelerator. It's more subtle than One Pedal driving, and Unbridled mode does still require using the brake pedal to come to a complete stop, but combined with Stop Hold, it's close enough for me to not miss One Pedal drive too much. Aside from the One Pedal Drive issue, there are some other on-dashboard errors that pop up as the Mach-E starts up, & interfaces with the 3X. It reports that Colision Avoidance is unavailable, as well as Lane Centering. Both appear to be available and working seconds later when BluePilot is engaged. The Amber Collision Avoidance error icon is cleared from the dashboard, & the lane centering icon, indicating that it's working, appears in Green on the dashboard. Waiting for the 3X to boot up before sarting the Mach-E helps quiet the errors that pop up as it starts, but don't completely eliminate them from occuring. In my experience, if you don't wait for the 3X to boot up first, eventually after a minute or so, the errors clear, and the Mach-E operates normally. Another minor issue, at least at this point in time, is the fact that Ford vehicles aren't able to take advantage of "Navigation On OpenPilot", where BluePilot would actually make turns to take you to your destination, based on Navigation software that runs on the screen of the 3X. Ford vehicles use a significantly more complex method of communicating with the steering system for control during lane centering, which is preventing the 3X from being able to acctuate enough torque, to consistantly make turns to do end to end navigation. I'm told that the 3X/OpenPilot/BluePilot could possibly overcome this limitation in the future, so we may be down, but we're not out. As I see it, this would really be a cherry on top of the real desert here, which is a non-subscription BlueCruise like experience that's actually superior to BlueCruise in a few ways.


I give the 3X & BluePilot an enthusiastic




Easy Driving,

Bruce

P.S. Standard disclaimer applies! Your mileage may vary & anything you do is at your own risk.

 

[AjzRide]

Unfortunately, a few minor issues do exist in the way BluePilot works with a Mach-E. One Pedal Driving is no longer available when using a 3X with a Mach-E, I guess because of the way that the 3X interfaces & controls the accelerator.

If you are going to drive in chill mode all the time, then you can turn Ford ACC back on and 1-pedal driving should work (it does in mine). Under the toggles menu turn off "enable experimental longitudinal control (alpha)". This should give you 1-pedal back, but you will no longer be able to engage experimental mode.

Aside from the One Pedal Drive issue, there are some other on-dashboard errors that pop up as the Mach-E starts up, & interfaces with the 3X. It reports that Colision Avoidance is unavailable, as well as Lane Centering. Both appear to be available and working seconds later when BluePilot is engaged. The Amber Collision Avoidance error icon is cleared from the dashboard, & the lane centering icon, indicating that it's working, appears in Green on the dashboard. Waiting for the 3X to boot up before sarting the Mach-E helps quiet the errors that pop up as it starts, but don't completely eliminate them from occuring. In my experience, if you don't wait for the 3X to boot up first, eventually after a minute or so, the errors clear, and the Mach-E operates normally.

It's extremely interesting that you are having this issue. It's the same issue the lightning owners have that they make a long harness to avoid, but out of about 20 Mach E you are the first to report it.

Another minor issue, at least at this point in time, is the fact that Ford vehicles aren't able to take advantage of "Navigation On OpenPilot", where BluePilot would actually make turns to take you to your destination, based on Navigation software that runs on the screen of the 3X. Ford vehicles use a significantly more complex method of communicating with the steering system for control during lane centering, which is preventing the 3X from being able to acctuate enough torque, to consistantly make turns to do end to end navigation. I'm told that the 3X/OpenPilot/BluePilot could possibly overcome this limitation in the future, so we may be down, but we're not out. As I see it, this would really be a cherry on top of the real desert here, which is a non-subscription BlueCruise like experience that's actually superior to BlueCruise in a few ways.

To be honest, I put a Comma3 in my mother's Hyundai Santa Fe which is supposed to be 100% capable of doing everything a Comma3 has, and navigate on openpilot still sucks. It's brakes way too late and misses about 70% of turns. Even if I use the cruise control limit to slow it down to 20 with a turn coming up, it still turns too late about 50% of the time. Comma actually removed it from the latest version because they know it was bad and plan to rewrite it. I have stopped trying to get turns workin got the Mach E until they release the re-write which will hopefully be better and I can once again start working on the Ford compatibility with it.

 

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Hey

I just tried again & although I had all experimental options turned off, it still wouldn’t allow me to use one pedal. I looked around & saw that MADS was still enabled & once I disabled that, One Pedal was working! ??

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I just tried again & although I had all experimental options turned off, it still wouldn’t allow me to use one pedal. I looked around & saw that MADS was still enabled & once I disabled that, One Pedal was working! ??

Thanks!

I forgot to mention that, unfortunately it’s still going crazy with errors until the 3X completely finishes Booting Up. Really not a big deal at all. Even if you just ignore it, and start the car before it’s done booting it will eventually shut up so it’s really not a big deal either way. ?

 

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I've been down that road. You guys are like Vice Grip Garage, a glutton for punishment. There's no way I'm going through all of that trouble to replace Blue Cruise. Nuts.

 

[AjzRide]

I've been down that road. You guys are like Vice Grip Garage, a glutton for punishment. There's no way I'm going through all of that trouble to replace Blue Cruise. Nuts.

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