Latest 2023 Mach-E Order Guide [Updated Monthly]

[Keeperofthe7keys]

It still boils down to supply/demand/features. I looked at the EV6 and outside of the massively better charging, I think you're forced to get the Premium top of the line for any basic features like 360 camera. We all know about Tesla prices increases.

As for VW id4, the features are really really lacking with non-existent 1 pedal driving, bad display, no memory I don't think seats/mirrors, etc. Also, what's the supply/demand like? Remember, you simply can't find/buy any MME on dealer lots really at all. Not sure on other cars. I thikn Hyundai's are all sitting there, but there is a dealer ADM at all of them. But they still sit there.

I don't think the LFP will be in the 2023 model yet.


People who didn't think prices were going up by a decent amount for 2023 models were probably fooling themselves IMO. We all knew/stated prices were going to go up a decent chunk.

No EV6/Ioniq 5 have most features on the mid trim with tech package. The top trim gets you pop out door handles, a HUD, bigger wheels, sun/glass roof, different trim pieces.

Pretty much all EVs (except for the Japanese brands) are in high demand. ID.4 is pretty well equipped base, screens aren't that bad just smaller, better UI design than the Koreans even (Though they've not been good at pushing updates). ID.4 is only really less equipped than top trims of Mach E or E-GMP cars (and has much better charging curve than Mach E).

they announced LFP for 2023 small battery pack, and the new order guide lists the 70kwh pack as having 150kw DCFC suggesting a change was made as it was 115KW before. Maybe that's not due to the new pack being in yet though it could be delayed but didn't see that stated.

Prices went up inexcusable high for not having anything new added or upgraded (in fact premiums had a feature removed despite the largest price increase in the lineup) and as stated before not all competitors did, some went down. I agree with others here this is more about cashing in on high demand than it is about actual product value.

I'm not so sure for the Korean brands. I follow some other car forums and it seems nearly impossible to find those without an ADM. I think they just make/bring over so few since they are all made in Korea I think that dealers just don't care.

It's also nearly impossible to find a Mach E on a lot without adm but some dealerships don't do it. Dealerships usually aren't exclusively one brand so that's not tied to the brands too much. Hyundai motor has also been outselling the Mach E (both models are at or slightly below the Mach E individually).

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[yngwenli]

My situation may be unique. I'm in a two EVs household and have been driving EV for 8 years.

I'm adding a long range car for road trip. Leasing an ICE may be less stressful than buying another EV. Pricing gouging is one thing, don't have the exact option and colour that I have been waiting for after months waiting is really pushing me over the edge. (Tesla would be a logical choice, but my wife is too picky, and it won't pass her QC)

We still have an old ICE to use for road trips, but we don't do that often to be much of a factor anymore. For road tripping, I think charging rate/speed is actually more important than range since short road trips requiring 1 or 2 charging sessions aren't probably as painful as ones taking 3+ or 6+, etc.

I'm hoping maybe in 5+ years, a LOT more EVs start pushing 400+ mile ranges or even higher like Lucid with a mix of huge range, high efficiency and charging rate.

 

[yngwenli]

No EV6/Ioniq 5 have most features on the mid trim with tech package. The top trim gets you pop out door handles, a HUD, bigger wheels, sun/glass roof, different trim pieces.

Pretty much all EVs (except for the Japanese brands) are in high demand. ID.4 is pretty well equipped base, screens aren't that bad just smaller, better UI design than the Koreans even (Though they've not been good at pushing updates). ID.4 is only really less equipped than top trims of Mach E or E-GMP cars (and has much better charging curve than Mach E).

they announced LFP for 2023 small battery pack, and the new order guide lists the 70kwh pack as having 150kw DCFC suggesting a change was made as it was 115KW before. Maybe that's not due to the new pack being in yet though it could be delayed but didn't see that stated.

Prices went up inexcusable high for not having anything new added or upgraded (in fact premiums had a feature removed despite the largest price increase in the lineup) and as stated before not all competitors did, some went down. I agree with others here this is more about cashing in on high demand than it is about actual product value.

It's also nearly impossible to find a Mach E on a lot without adm but some dealerships don't do it. Dealerships usually aren't exclusively one brand so that's not tied to the brands too much. Hyundai motor has also been outselling the Mach E (both models are at or slightly below the Mach E individually).

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was just on the configurators and can't find what you say.

I don't see the 360 camera package being an option on the Ioniq 5 outside of the limited and not selectable as an option. EV6 needs Wind (e-AWD) and that starts at $51k + $1.5k option = $53k ($54k with destination) too for 2022 which isn't a low price I feel. Ioniq5 Limited is $53.3k start (non-AWD).

These are all for 2022. Add in ADM for most dealers it sounds like for that car since I've had a very hard time finding Hyundai's for no ADM, even if you order (they don't seem to play that way).

New MME Premium pricing is $55k for 2023.

We'll have to see what Hyundai does with their pricing for 2023 models, but it won't be a stretch to see it go up I feel.

 

[max8176]

Maybe the Macan EV if that starts at $80k...Taycan is still a sedan and some people simply won't want a Sedan.

I am waiting for the Macan EV too.

 

[Traveler]

Wow this news definitely puts things into perspective.

I put a $1k deposit down and signed an agreement for a $10k ADM on a '22 Premium AWD ER Battery about a month ago (released customer order) that I got a call about yesterday that should be here in September.

Looking at the numbers, MSRP was $58,575 + $10k ADM = $68,575 (not including tax, title, license) then I get the $7500 tax credit this year still, effectively putting the car at $61,075. Looks like the exact car in 2023 would cost me $66,275 so I'm still coming out ahead even with the ADM. Imagine if I could've found a dealer to sell it to me at MSRP!!!

Now just need to pray I don't get screwed around with by the dealer and the deal falls through LOL.

Well, I just looked at the pricing options this morning for the 2023 MachE. Wow!

I had been waiting for the order banks to open, but I was also on a number of waiting lists for an available Premium AWD ER around my area. I fell into a deal just last week and I jumped on it!

Just going by MSRP (I am A-Plan pricing), the new 2023 would cost me over $16K for the exact same vehicle I just purchased. (We would not qualify for the 2023 Tax Credit). That is one crazy swing in prices.

FYI, no ADM, but the dealer threw on $1900 in protection packages that I made enough noise about with dealership ownership that I was refunded a couple of days after purchase. Needless to say, we are quite happy in our overall timing.

 

[West1134]

Well, I just looked at the pricing options this morning for the 2023 MachE. Wow!

I had been waiting for the order banks to open, but I was also on a number of waiting lists for an available Premium AWD ER around my area. I fell into a deal just last week and I jumped on it!

Just going by MSRP (I am A-Plan pricing), the new 2023 would cost me over $16K for the exact same vehicle I just purchased. (We would not qualify for the 2023 Tax Credit). That is one crazy swing in prices.

FYI, no ADM, but the dealer threw on $1900 in protection packages that I made enough noise about with dealership ownership that I was refunded a couple of days after purchase. Needless to say, we are quite happy in our overall timing.

Congrats!! I wish I could've found no ADM. I've been calling everywhere and only found two dealerships that will honor MSRP, but of course they have no inventory, and I'm on their call lists. At this point, I'm just happy to have secured a vehicle after only searching for a little over a month.

 

[voxel]

No EV6/Ioniq 5 have most features on the mid trim with tech package. The top trim gets you pop out door handles, a HUD, bigger wheels, sun/glass roof, different trim pieces.

Ioniq 5 SEL (mid trim) doesn't have HUD, premium audio, 360 camera, sunroof, etc.

It's basically the Limited that has all those features but Hyundai barely makes any Limiteds.

EV6 Wind with tech has 360 camera and premium audio but no sunroof (which I hate anyhow) and no HUD.

 

[ElectrifyME]

That list probably doesn’t include destination/delivery. Tack on another $1,100.

FYI $1300… that’s the new cost for Delivery

 

[Soorena]

i want the eAWD premium but paying 70k for a mid tier ford package doesn't sit well with me lol anyone got suggestions for other EV's worth ordering at this point?

 

[Keeperofthe7keys]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was just on the configurators and can't find what you say.

I don't see the 360 camera package being an option on the Ioniq 5 outside of the limited and not selectable as an option. EV6 needs Wind (e-AWD) and that starts at $51k + $1.5k option = $53k ($54k with destination) too for 2022 which isn't a low price I feel. Ioniq5 Limited is $53.3k start (non-AWD).

These are all for 2022. Add in ADM for most dealers it sounds like for that car since I've had a very hard time finding Hyundai's for no ADM, even if you order (they don't seem to play that way).

New MME Premium pricing is $55k for 2023.

We'll have to see what Hyundai does with their pricing for 2023 models, but it won't be a stretch to see it go up I feel.

You're not comparing equalivilents here. I already explained the lack of difference on brands for ADMs. It's hard to find a dealer that doesn't buy they do exist.

Yes, you need the volume model, not the small battery Light/SE models, Wind/SEL isn't the top trim but it is the big battery model. It does seem you're right about the Ioniq 5 SEL not having the 360 camera, making it harder to get on that car. But when we compare features and price the limited is still cheaper and an EV6 wind with tech package is much easier to find. (Hard to find without markup but so is Mach E).

The Mach E premium extended is now 67.5k so how exactly is that equalivilent? $57k is what it was not what it is now. So even then the EV6/Ioniq was cheaper with only the top trim EV6 matching the price. Wasn't a huge difference to base a decision off of preference but now the e-GMP cars are much better equipped at significantly lower price. Not that Mach E dosen't do some things better but it's no where near value vs competitors now.

 

[Keeperofthe7keys]

Ioniq 5 SEL (mid trim) doesn't have HUD, premium audio, 360 camera, sunroof, etc.

It's basically the Limited that has all those features but Hyundai barely makes any Limiteds.

EV6 Wind with tech has 360 camera and premium audio but no sunroof (which I hate anyhow) and no HUD.

It's not like the Mach E has a HUD. Don't really view that as an important feature anyways (the door handles only popping out on top trim is a much greater annoyance). Yeah I was mistaken on the premium audio and 360 camera, thought it had the same tech package the EV6 does. They do however have ventilated seats. As for the glass roof, yes but Ford also hasn't been building many premiums either, which also cost more this year and before an $8,600 price increase.

For the sunroof in the EV6, I personally view that as a negative, it's narrow unlike a glass roof and making it open removes 2" of headroom and is something I'd personally never use. I do wish the GT-line had a glass roof instead. One of the reasons I was gonna keep my Mach E order, though been thinking that preference is against better judgment based on the hardware.

 

[voxel]

It's not like the Mach E has a HUD. Don't really view that as an important feature anyways (the door handles only popping out on top trim is a much greater annoyance). Yeah I was mistaken on the premium audio and 360 camera, thought it had the same tech package the EV6 does. They do however have ventilated seats. As for the glass roof, yes but Ford also hasn't been building many premiums either, which also cost more this year and before an $8,600 price increase.

For the sunroof in the EV6, I personally view that as a negative, it's narrow unlike a glass roof and making it open removes 2" of headroom and is something I'd personally never use. I do wish the GT-line had a glass roof instead. One of the reasons I was gonna keep my Mach E order, though been thinking that preference is against better judgment based on the hardware.

EV/Ioniq 5 and Mach-E are hard to compare because their feature sets don't overlap exactly. And even the top trim of the EV6/Ioniq 5 still have poor audio IMO. That's why I started looking at the Genesis GV60 and asked my Hyundai dealer to move my deposit to one. FYI I test drove all Ioniq 5 and EV6 trims and even declined delivery on a Ioniq 5 Limited AWD (with very small markup) back in Jan 2022 because of an underwhelming test drive.

We know the Mach-E ER has more range due to the 99 kWh battery that's confirmed by Consumer Reports in a controlled drive (all EVs drove at the same time). Also the RWD trims of the EV6 and Ioniq 5 are sloooooow. Like 7+ seconds for 0 to 60 and feels like an peppy ICE hatchback and not a true EV.

The big positive of the Korean twins is 800V charging, V2L, and the few things you mentioned - HUD and ventilated seats.

 

[yngwenli]

i want the eAWD premium but paying 70k for a mid tier ford package doesn't sit well with me lol anyone got suggestions for other EV's worth ordering at this point?

Macan EV. Expect to pay $100k+ I think for something more track capable vs. the GT IMO.

It is a Porsche so it will be less common IMO. Something we may consider in a future generation when ranges are all 400+ hopefully.

 

[yngwenli]

You're not comparing equalivilents here. I already explained the lack of difference on brands for ADMs. It's hard to find a dealer that doesn't buy they do exist.

Yes, you need the volume model, not the small battery Light/SE models, Wind/SEL isn't the top trim but it is the big battery model. It does seem you're right about the Ioniq 5 SEL not having the 360 camera, making it harder to get on that car. But when we compare features and price the limited is still cheaper and an EV6 wind with tech package is much easier to find. (Hard to find without markup but so is Mach E).

The Mach E premium extended is now 67.5k so how exactly is that equalivilent? $57k is what it was not what it is now. So even then the EV6/Ioniq was cheaper with only the top trim EV6 matching the price. Wasn't a huge difference to base a decision off of preference but now the e-GMP cars are much better equipped at significantly lower price. Not that Mach E dosen't do some things better but it's no where near value vs competitors now.

The problem I saw was Hyundai simply doesn't even do custom ordering to lock in MSRP prices. It's just not something you can do so you're mostly FORCED from 99% of Kia/Hyundai dealers to pay some markup.

Until Hyundai releases pricing on 2023 models, I think they jury is still out on what the Ioniq5 and EV6 will be for 2023 so I think we should wait on pricing before we think the Ioniq5 or EV6 will be awesome deals from 2022 (I'm pretty sure they will charge more).

At present, we're only able to compare the 2022 $50k MME to the $50k Korean brands IMO.

 

[max8176]

I went to one of the dealers website and the build selector is up look like.

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