Mach E as home power?

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No, the hardware needed isn’t inside the Mach E. There is no simple way to do this. Ford Lightning is the only model from Ford that can do that, and it requires a pricy upgrade to your electrical setup.
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I know it's a car, rather than a truck, but it is a little disappointing that the SAME company that was clever enough to tap a little bitty 1.5KWH 300V battery in the F150 Hybrid for 240V/30Amps of available AC power, didn't even tap the 100KWH 300V in the Mach-E battery for an outlet to charge a laptop. ??

Not even as an option.
The power isn’t coming from that small battery, it comes from the engine. The truck is specifically engineered to provide job-site power from the truck‘s ICE and one of the Motor/Generators. The Mach-E isn’t a truck. It isn’t meant to fulfill the same niche as the F-150 hybrid.
 

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Didn't Hyundai/Kia come out with V2L technology right out of the gate with their EVs? I wonder why Ford/Chevy have not copied this model? The F150 set up seems overly complicated.
 

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Didn't Hyundai/Kia come out with V2L technology right out of the gate with their EVs? I wonder why Ford/Chevy have not copied this model? The F150 set up seems overly complicated.
Hyundai is just an adapter on the charge port that gives you a standard 120V 20A outlet I believe. Not enough to run your house on.

Ford should have given us a standard house plug inside of the car at least. That’s becoming more common on even ICE vehicles these days.
 
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I know it's a car, rather than a truck, but it is a little disappointing that the SAME company that was clever enough to tap a little bitty 1.5KWH 300V battery in the F150 Hybrid for 240V/30Amps of available AC power, didn't even tap the 100KWH 300V in the Mach-E battery for an outlet to charge a laptop. ??

Not even as an option.

The "Solar Generator" space is exploding with innovation and competition. I personally believe the two approaches are inevitably going to merge in some really cool ways.

A MacGyver approach currently might be to set a 3600 watt Solar Generator (~3KWH LFP) in the trunk of the Mach-E. They are about 80lbs, but very compact. (on left)

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Then purchase one of the automotive "alternator" (DC/DC converter) chargers and connect it to the AGM under the hood and throttle the output to match the solar input on the Solar Generator. This would be a way to leverage the Mach-E's HV battery to recharge the Generator's LFP.

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This particular brand lets you combine 2 3600 watt units into 1 7.2KW 240V generator. (picture includes add on LFP batteries. But without them you would have 7.2KW with 6KWH of native storage. About $2600)

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Still, the F150 Powerboost method is so clean and works wonderfully. And the option is so inexpensive when scaled for production. For me, the Onboard liquid cooled 7.2KW inverter would be worth the loss in Frunk space compared to the heat pump.
That is quite similar to what I do now using my Escape PHEV and an Ecoflow Delta Pro Ultra. Before I acquired the Ecoflow I simply used an inverter connected to the 12 volt battery to power a few critical 120 volt items in my house. Now, when power fails I open the main to the power company, connect the 240 volt Ecoflow, and if it looks like an extended outage connect the Escape and the inverter to the Ecoflow.
Would be nice to be able to simply connect the Ecoflow to the Mach-e DC port, or even the AC port, but as noted above, not possible.
 


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So, the answer is there is not one, and can't be because the vehicle employes reverse power/current protection. Too bad, you would think all EV's would be able to supply 230 volt power for home outages without resorting to the clunky 12 volt battery method.
Unfortunately true. The F150 Lightning has the necessary hardware and software to leverage the HVB for home power and requires a bunch of extra hardware at the home to run. The MME does not have the capability to turn on the HVB for power export. Although technically possible to add, it would be nearly impossible for any one person to do it and address all of the software and hardware to make it work.
 

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Ford should have given us a standard house plug inside of the car at least. That’s becoming more common on even ICE vehicles these days.
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For sure! That is another reason why I have buyer's remorse for letting the dealer talk me into a Mach-E when they couldn't get the Lightening Flash I was originally shopping for. I don't need to run the whole house. It would just be nice to run the refrigerator.
 

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The power isn’t coming from that small battery, it comes from the engine. The truck is specifically engineered to provide job-site power from the truck‘s ICE and one of the Motor/Generators. The Mach-E isn’t a truck. It isn’t meant to fulfill the same niche as the F-150 hybrid.
Sorry, but you are mistaken.
I think you are confusing the 2KW trucks with ProPower Onboard vs the F150 Powerboost with 7.2KW ProPower.

I have been using a Powerboost to boondock for days at a time. For the past 4 years. The 7.2KW generator is powered from the HV battery. ICE only runs the necessary time to recharge the battery.

When powering my small 17' Toy Hauler RV, unless the Air Conditioner is running the ICE only runs for about 60 seconds every 15 minutes. So roughly 4-6 minutes per hour.
 

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Hyundai is just an adapter on the charge port that gives you a standard 120V 20A outlet I believe.
Not even that. It's a 120v 15A outlet.
 

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Sorry, but you are mistaken.
I think you are confusing the 2KW trucks with ProPower Onboard vs the F150 Powerboost with 7.2KW ProPower.

I have been using a Powerboost to boondock for days at a time. For the past 4 years. The 7.2KW generator is powered from the HV battery. ICE only runs the necessary time to recharge the battery.

When powering my small 17' Toy Hauler RV, unless the Air Conditioner is running the ICE only runs for about 60 seconds every 15 minutes. So roughly 4-6 minutes per hour.
So when your A/C is running, how often and how long does the Ford turn on the engine? When the A/C is not running, what loads are running in the toy hauler? Just lights? 3-way fridge on 12V power? Definitely the converter to charge/maintain the 12V house battery.
 

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So when your A/C is running, how often and how long does the Ford turn on the engine? When the A/C is not running, what loads are running in the toy hauler? Just lights? 3-way fridge on 12V power? Definitely the converter to charge/maintain the 12V house battery.
Ford has the operating range for the SOC of the 300V battery as ~41%<>~63%. Very conservative, and probably because of the high C-rate and the 8 year warranty?

So whatever the burden/draw is in that HV battery is, when it drops to 41% the ICE runs. The traction motor then charges the 300V battery (about 65amps) very quickly (~60 seconds) back up to 63% SOC. Then ICE turns off. Keep in mind that the truck itself is "on" and the DC/DC converter is supplying low voltage to the truck at ALL times. So some of the draw on the HV battery is to keep the truck awake too.

If the total draw hits ~12 amps, (2800-3600 watts) the BMS will just keep the truck idling (ICE at 1000 RPM). So it is possible to tax the HV battery enough to negate the ICE-on/ICE-off cycling. Just 1 RV air conditioner isn't enough to kick ProPower into that mode. But it does shorten the amount of ICE off time interval.

It's an amazing 7.2KW generator. And the truck has a 30 gallon fuel tank. So for someone who boondocked for years with a Yamaha 3000 gasoline inverter, the Powerboost is a dream. No more heaving a 150lb generator into the truck. No more gas cans or fueling a generator in the dark. And as quiet as that Yamaha is, the F150 at idle is far quieter.

I've ran the Powerboost in generator mode for as long as 9 days continuously. Never had a breakdown in 4 years. And I'm far from the only RV full-timer that discovered the Powerboost when it was released in 2021. I blame Ford for their confusing naming conventions and marketing for the misunderstandings of "ProPower Onboard"
The 2K version is run from a 24Volt alternator mounted on the ICE for Non-Powerboost trucks. And the inverter they use in that scenario is a cheap underperforming chunk located in the cabin.
7.2KW ProPower is a 240V water cooled inverter mounted under the truck near the HV battery. The distribution panel for 240V outlet and the 20Amp 120V outlets are near the tailgate as well as the front and back seats of the cabin.
 

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Discussions about "not even providing laptop power". A cheap 300W inverter into the 12v sockets does that and costs like $50. Sure not as clean but I really can't get excited about as a problem. I keep that small inverter between the front seats in that little nook with my Supercharger adapter. I've used it twice in two years.

I'm pretty happy to use my 1000kwh battery, which basically gives claimed "surge capacity" to 2200w, and I just leave plugged into the 12v in the back if I need it. I can set that to stay below the fuse on the 12v "sockets". And I've done the 12v under the hood anderson connectors so I can plug in my big inverter.

What I really care about .... a safety recall ..... EXCITED about getting the speedometer back into the center where it belongs, where's my 10.2 .... looking sadly at the SuperCruise map .... thinking of the rear liftgate mode..... wishing I had 800V architecture.... I can deal with lugging around a little inverter.

Adding V2L even as an option would have increased cost and complexity. While I also think it would have been cool, I didn't buy the F150 for a reason (price, size). There are still very few vehicles with that capability because most people aren't willing to "pay the price". Ford has shown its commitment to the concept & segment by having the F150 with one of the few strong contenders in the category.

I am glad - given the time and place that the MachE was designed and the price point to be hit - they *didn't* put V2L in it.
 

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Does anyone make a traction battery DC to 240 Volt AC inverter?
No & unlike many EV brands across the world, the MME does not support ANY form of V2G, V2G, V2X etc. Some say that Tesla 'may' have this hidden on board but remains to be seen. I believe that only the Cybertruck supports this.
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