Mach E driver goes for a Genesis GV60 test drive

[Red Baron]

This is one of the reasons I refuse to buy Kia/Hyundai products. Doesn't matter how "good" they have become (or seem to have become).

You'll notice they have a track record of cars catching on fire - doesn't matter if it is ICE or Electric.

Working in the automotive industry for almost a decade (another big name OEM), you know where Kia/Hyundai cut their costs. They use a lot of the vehicles' "budget" for flashy gimmicky stuff to attract people but after the first couple years, some of that stuff fails and requires replacement. Even the most minor stuff, they cut costs to allocate that money to something more consumer attractive. Example: Wiper blades are thin/worse quality than other OEMs (for now anyways, more OEMs are finding areas to cut costs).

Also as OP pointed out, Kia/Hyundai dealers are absolutely awful. It's a known plagued issue with the OEM - they have been trying to reeducate/fix their dealer network for years. For those that do not know - dealerships are essentially franchises with the "right" to sell their products. So in the past, dealership owners wanted to open a Kia/Hyundai dealer to sell cheap cars. Profit from volume. Don't care about long term customers when you're buying a $10,000 Accent. The issue is these dealers still exists when Kia/Hyundai are shifting their strategy and the mindset hasn't changed with the dealer. Sure you might find a good dealer, but the ratio of bad to good dealers is higher.

My wife has a 2020 Palisade.

Dealer service is horrible. Take car in for 8am appointment and still not touched till after 1PM.

There was a recall for wind noise. Made appointment and, when we arrived, they didn't have the parts for the recall. Still waiting for the recall parts - one year and counting!

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[Mach1E]

It’s the A/S tires. The reviews I’ve read praise the ride/handling balance and note the lack of grip of the tires. I guarantee good summer tires like P4S or EC Sports get the G into the .9s and knock 25ft off the 70-0 braking. In fact, I believe those same A/S Primacys on the Mach E 4X (in 225/55) held it to about .82 G and it is easily capable of posting .90s on summer rubber.

But, I’m going to drive one first opportunity to see for myself.

Mach e GT comes with all seasons.

And it crushes those numbers.

Aviator also comes with all seasons and matches those numbers.

The GV60 just isn’t a good handler.

 

[Schmetsky]

I had a 30-45 minute test drive today in the GV60 Performance. I had lots of dealer issues, but I'll keep this focused on the car.

Things I really really loved:

• Cooled seats. They were amazing. The dealer still had plastic on everything (not sure why, as this is their demo car). The seats didn't seem to cool down until I started driving. Once they got going, they were so comfy.
• Physical controls for the climate, radio, and on screen menus. I can't tell you how much I love having the lever for the temp control. Oh, and physical controls for heated/cooled seats.
• #1 my favorite thing is the shifter. The return to center shifter is the best!! Going right is always drive. Going left is always revers. Park is always a button press. My Mach E has the standard ford rotary dial shifter. To go from drive to reverse or reverse to drive, you have to remember where you are and how many clicks to get to your target position. It's terrible for parking or three point turns.
• #2 might be the volume and tuning scroll wheels with the textured metal surface.
• I didn't test it, but the 800V DCFC charging is probably my main attracting in getting me to switch from my Mach E. 18 minutes for 10-80% or something? Amazing.
• I think it has a heat pump??
• I didn't test it, but the facial id for the door and the fingerprint id for starting the car.
• The key fob has the buttons on the side so they won't get accidentally pressed — I set off my Mach E's alarm at least weekly and that's being careful (and the fob is significantly smaller)

Down sides:

• My biggest issue was that it would reset one-pedal driving every time I parked the car or turned it off. Is there a way to make that stick?
• I much prefer the Mach E external door buttons and the internal door handles.
• Limited range (230 vs 270 on my Mach E). But much faster DCFC.
• No door combo to get in or password to start the car.
• Does it have phone-as-a-key?
• Teeny tiny frunk

Open questions

• I didn't have enough time to fiddle with the steering wheel controls.
• How is the highway assist (lane centering and dynamic cruise control)? I tested it briefly and it seemed to take corners more smoothly than my Mach E.
• Biggest question/concern...if I need dealer service, I know for Ford I have to go to an EV-certified Ford Dealer (that's almost all Ford dealers). The Genesis GV60 is only sold in 5 states right now and this dealer is 2.5 hours from home. Can I bring it to a local Kia or Hyndai dealer? It's all the same parts, except for interior finishes, right?

What about cargo area size? Tks I am guessing the GV70 will be better

 

[Pushrods&Capacitors]

Mach e GT comes with all seasons.

And it crushes those numbers.

Aviator also comes with all seasons and matches those numbers.

The GV60 just isn’t a good handler.

Question for you: Is handling solely defined by lateral G numbers or more so by the interactions and feel the vehicle provides? I ask because a fwd Camry TRD can post .94 G numbers these days. As can many other plebian sedans that no one thinks of as “good” handlers. It’s the tire technology that has made it possible.

 

[Mach1E]

Question for you: Is handling solely defined by lateral G numbers or more so by the interactions and feel the vehicle provides? I ask because a fwd Camry TRD can post .94 G numbers these days. As can many other plebian sedans that no one thinks of as “good” handlers. It’s the tire technology that has made it possible.

Of course not.

But you can’t have one without the other.

Doesn’t matter how you slice it. In 2022, .83 is horrible for a performance vehicle.

But fwiw, a TRD Camry actually is a decent handling vehicle. It’s not your grandmother’s Camry (even though your grandmother may still drive it ?).

Car and Driver sure seemed impressed by the Camry:

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a30762981/2020-toyota-camry-trd-by-the-numbers/

“Except . . . damn if it doesn't work. All kinds of weird thoughts go through your head when you drive the Camry TRD. You start to get excited about it, thinking: "Man, just imagine how good the next one is going to be," and "If Toyota really wanted to build a sports sedan, it should make a four-door 86. If it can do this with a Camry, imagine how awesome that would be!" You start to respect the whole Camry line that much more, because this isn't all that different, but it is an eye-opening experience.

And not just because of the numbers it makes. Averaging 0.94 g on the skidpad is impressive, sure; compared with the actual sports sedans in last month's comparo, it's bettered only by the BMW. But the TRD's succinct ride motions and flat handling are the calling cards of expert, no-compromise tuning. The steering is sensitive and responsive without being twitchy, and it's heavy enough that the aged demographic commonly associated with the Camry won't even get off the dealer lot before they steer back toward that XSE in the showroom.”

 

[coolshades]

What about cargo area size? Tks I am guessing the GV70 will be better

i am not the OP, but cargo space is smaller both at the back and the frunk.

at the back, it is okay in space but nothing compared to the MME. the frunk is a laugh compared to the MME and is present only on RWD.

 

[MachTee]

Savagegeese drove the GV60 recently and hated the way it handles.

I was browsing my local dealer last week and saw that they had quite a few GV60 showing. I sent an email and was told all are sold but that they're taking orders at MSRP with a $500 deposit. It got me intrigued so I stopped in to take a look. They had four cars on the lot waiting to be delivered so I couldn't test drive it, but I really liked the way it looked. Sat down with the sales rep and asked again if they're not marking up AND with no forced BS addons. He said no. I then asked why their Hyundai models all have a markup, he said that's the "Hyundai side". I think he also mentioned that Ioniq 5 are not marked up either.

I went ahead and placed an order, gave him my license and credit card for the deposit. He came back with a complete sales order inclusive of all fees with total out of pocket cost. There is the $199 windows etching which is on their preprinted sales order form. I didn't bother to contest it. The surprising part was he said his manager didn't need a deposit from me. I wonder if they looked me up once they had my info and saw that I currently own two Hyundai PHEVs, both purchased from the same far away dealer, and really wanted to gain my business.

I've stopped in this dealership before (among maybe 6 others) when I was shopping the PHEVs. They didn't seem to really care whether I bought or not. What was kind of interesting was that the overall attitude was different when I was there for a Genesis at this particular dealership, from my initial email contact to actually signing the deal. All except one of the dealers were sort of "normal", much like the Ford dealerships I stopped in when I shopped the MME, didn't really show much interest in making a sale. That "one" was the shady/sleazy kind that gives all car dealerships a bad rep, deservedly so.

By far the best dealership experience I've had was with Lexus. Before buying my second Hyundai PHEV, I wanted the Lexus NX PHEV and gave a deposit nearly a year ago. While waiting for it, I decided to checkout the Tucson PHEV and came away impressed, especially when I was already impressed with the Ioniq PHEV that we've owned for 1.5yrs. I went from having two Lexus' to two Hyundai in under 2 years' time. I'm a big Lexus fan, and know that they're very conservative when it comes to adopting new tech, but at this point I think they've fallen even further behind. I honestly like my Tucson better than their new NX.

Wow didn't expect to write a novel here lol. So when my GV60 order comes in, I guess I'll have 3 Hyundais in my garage lol. If Genesis gets their dealership network cleaned up, I think Lexus will be in trouble.

 

[NancyF]

My best friend bought a new Genesis G80 several years ago. The car was gorgeous. She bought it in Kansas City and at the time she was told Genesis was going to be building a free standing building for sale/service. That never happened. She lives in Topeka, Kansas about 60 miles away.
To make a long story short. It needed servicing for a chronic problem. The Hyundai dealership in Topeka said "bring it in, we can fix Genesis vehicles". She did. They had it for awhile and then said under some new restrictive agreement, Hyundai couldn't service it. It then went to a Genesis dealership in Lawrence, Kansas. They had the car for over one month. Now, she did have a loaner and for that she was grateful. They finally "fixed" the car but my friend was dubious.
She ended up trading the car in for a new Infiniti SUV.
Bottom line: that was a car. It had nothing inherently "new" in terms of how it was propelled. It was a gas car.
We are talking about new inventions here. To me, it goes without saying that we are going to have issues with our electric cars. That is one huge reason why I bought a Ford Mustang Mach e. I have service at many, many locations if I need it. I have a wonderful dealer, Rusty Eck, in Wichita, Kansas who services mine and has several technicians trained in EV's.
Maybe this particular Genesis will not have any problems but seriously: I doubt it! There is no way I would buy a Genesis based upon my friends dealings with them.

 

[Stang68]

3.7, 12.2@112mph, 151mph top speed according to Car and Driver road test. Read it and weep. ??‍ It just needs a summer tire option in order to get the lateral G up in the .90s and the 70-0 braking down into the 150-160ft range. Those A/S Michelin Primacys betray it’s true abilities.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a40011446/2023-genesis-gv60-drive/

I'd rather go slightly slower in a really good looking Mach E than drive around in the first unattractive car from Genesis.

 

[voxel]

Savagegeese drove the GV60 recently and hated the way it handles.

I think they hated how the Performance trim with adaptive suspension handled. They wanted firmer suspension which the "base" Advanced trim has.

FYI SV loves the EV6 and Ioniq 5 which are at the top of their EV list.

 

[Blue highway]

I went to my local Genesis dealer yesterday to test drive the GV60 and one of the four GV60s they had on the lot was completely dead probably due to 12v battery. They could not unlock or open the doors.

I hope they fix these issues because otherwise it is a nice car. The performance model drives very nicely. It is fast, you are not worried that it will fry its HVBJB, no 5 sec limit and no bouncy suspension. The interior was nicer too and its EV technology is a generation ahead of the MME. But it is a smaller car and at least in my eyes the MME exterior looks better.

Actually its limited 100% of the time, till you press the "boost" button which turns off the limiter for 10 seconds. Sooo 10 seconds is better than 5 seconds... but it is doing the same thing.

 

[Mach1E]

Actually its limited 100% of the time, till you press the "boost" button which turns off the limiter for 10 seconds. Sooo 10 seconds is better than 5 seconds... but it is doing the same thing.

It’s not doing the same thing, it’s better in almost every way.

When it’s “limited” it still has 429 hp.

When we are limited, we drop to 300 hp or less.

10 seconds is better than 5 seconds. Like waaaay better.

151 mph vs 124 mph top speed.

Only way it’s worse is they have to push a conveniently located button and we don’t.

 

[Lynsey]

How can the gv60 not have wireless android auto or apple car play? That is a deal killer for me. I love just getting in and having android auto just work. Never had a problem with it. I was deciding between the gv60 and the GT when trading in my MME select. I went with the MME GT.

 

[MachTee]

How can the gv60 not have wireless android auto or apple car play? That is a deal killer for me. I love just getting in and having android auto just work. Never had a problem with it. I was deciding between the gv60 and the GT when trading in my MME select. I went with the MME GT.

Supposedly it's some licensing dispute between Hyundai, Google, and Apple regarding the behavior of the map button in the car (on cars equipped with factory navigation system), that each party wants their respective map to be displayed when the user presses the map button in the car. I bought a wireless adapter to get around it.

 

[voxel]

How can the gv60 not have wireless android auto or apple car play? That is a deal killer for me. I love just getting in and having android auto just work. Never had a problem with it. I was deciding between the gv60 and the GT when trading in my MME select. I went with the MME GT.

All Gen5 HW (infotainment) on Hyundai and Kia cars are wired CarPlay only.

I didn't know the reason behind it (above poster mentioned licensing). I thought it was due to some CPU/GPU performance issue with the new hardware. The previous gen (Gen4) had wireless CarPlay so older Hyundais and Kias have it but not the new Tellurides, Sorrentos, Sportages, etc. It doesn't make much sense. I thought the new GV60 used the Nvidia drive system but I don't think that is the case ??

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