Magnaride Delete - 2021 GTPE?

[Mark813]

How much would the ride really change for 2024-25 GT with magneride if you add the Rally Springs and Eibach sway bars?

Would the GT with rally springs in Engage and Unbridled mode be similar to the rally (but not the Rally's special off road setting)

Or was there a major difference in the Rally's magneride settings across the board?

I'm thinking you could have the pano roof GT if you wanted. And avoid the giant rally spoiler if you didn't want that. Might just be me lol

And on the Rally I'm guessing changing the factory sway bars out for the eibach sway bars would improve the Rally model's ride even further.

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[HuntingPudel]

Springs, bars and 19 inch wheels and tires and you saved a few years (or at least 10's of thousands of $ this year) payments. However the Rally seats might also help vs the GTPE's (if you're a big boy like me. I can't actually do GTPE seats as my shoulders hit the seat)

Ride height change will be significant from a GT to Rally height. Take a tape measure and get a basis on your car at the wheel well, then see the height from others that have done this, or have a rally.

The Rally uses the sane Ford Performance seats as the GT-PE, just with some white plastics on them instead of the nice dark grey plastics. ??

 

[azerik]

Well that sucks.

 

[HuntingPudel]

How much would the ride really change for 2024-25 GT with magneride if you add the Rally Springs and Eibach sway bars?

Would the GT with rally springs in Engage and Unbridled mode be similar to the rally (but not the Rally's special off road setting)

Or was there a major difference in the Rally's magneride settings across the board?

I'm thinking you could have the pano roof GT if you wanted. And avoid the giant rally spoiler if you didn't want that. Might just be me lol

And on the Rally I'm guessing changing the factory sway bars out for the eibach sway bars would improve the Rally model's ride even further.

The Rally's VDM has a specific set of programs in it, so the ride in a "real" Rally would be different than in a GT-PE in the three normal drive modes since it's tuned to the specific spring rates in the Rally vs. the GT-PE. How much different? Hard to day but I'd guess the difference is minimal. I would guess that the GT tuning would provide just a tiny bit more rebound control due to the GT having stiffer springs. Since the Rally has more compression travel, increasing the jounce control probably wouldn't have been necessary. ??

Personally, I don't believe either the GT or the Rally need the panoramic roof. They are performance trims and extra weight way up high simply doesn't belong. ?‍?

 

[janstubbs]

There is nothing smoother than magna ride. A rally is your only softer path as I highly doubt there will ever be a way to apply the rally settings to a car built years before it with the exact opposite of the rally suspension.

I have a 2020 Corvette with GM (who invented it) magnaride. Its wonderful.

On the other hand I also have the 2022 MachE Select, its very bouncy. Surprised that MachE with Magnaride would not be great.

 

[tuminatr]

My 10 cents,

Do the cheap stuff first
Steeda sway bars front & rear
Switch the tires out to 255/45/20 105 XL and lower the pressure to 37psi
If you want to go extreme switch to 19" wheels and 245/50/19 105 XL @ 37psi. I personally haven t seen an advantage in ride quality between the 255/45/20 & 245/50/19. But the 19" wheels are more efficient

My brother in law has a GT and we put 255/45/20 Grand touring tires on @37psi he said even his wife says the car rides better and is less harsh.

Tires are designed to absorb some of the big bumps but at 39psi they transfer everything through the suspension.

 

[markboris]

So with existing Magnaride shocks, but with Rally springs and Eibach bars, 2 questions:
1. Does the ride height change?
2. Does the Magnaride damping algorithm need to change due to possible ride height change and (perhaps) greater suspension travel?

For a GT, the height changes about 1 1/2" front and rear while the Premium AWD EX about 1". I’ve installed OEM Rally springs on two GT’s and doing a third next week.

While you cannot change the VCM’s algorithm, you need to recalibrate the ride height in FDRS.

 

[Mark813]

Personally, I don't believe either the GT or the Rally need the panoramic roof. They are performance trims and extra weight way up high simply doesn't belong. ?‍?

Separate from the suspension issues in the Premium, I do wish I went with the GT for the extra performance. Not too far from 60 years old I realize I have a limited number of cars in the future before they take my license away. So I'll get the performance trim next go round.

It's summer in FL and the pano roof is blocked by my sun screen protector. And my passengers get more enjoyment of the pano roof when there's no screen- my eyes have to stay on the road or that dashboard nanny will yell at me.

So I'll be fine without the pano roof next time if I can get the rally model. Also decided I can live with a smaller frunk in exchange for that column shift. My empty grocery bags for Aldi and those places that don't give you plastic will still fit.

 

[GreaseMonkey]

I have a 2020 Corvette with GM (who invented it) magnaride. Its wonderful.

On the other hand I also have the 2022 MachE Select, its very bouncy. Surprised that MachE with Magnaride would not be great.

Magneride on the Mach-E is great. It was a huge improvement over a 22 premium that I owned before even with Pirelli tires. To each their own.

 

[GT-Papa]

Magneride on the Mach-E is great. It was a huge improvement over a 22 premium that I owned before even with Pirelli tires. To each their own.

Yeah, for the first year GTPE, for whatever reason, they did not quite have the Mag-ride dialed in. It has improved in the intervening years by all accounts. My car rides like a lumber wagon at times, and my wife with her bad back complains. So if I can throw a few bucks at some springs and and a sway bar, it will be money well $pent.

@markboris
I believe you lived in the Denver area at one time. Can you recommend a competent and trustworthy suspension shop near here?

 

[markboris]

Yeah, for the first year GTPE, for whatever reason, they did not quite have the Mag-ride dialed in. It has improved in the intervening years by all accounts. My car rides like a lumber wagon at times, and my wife with her bad back complains. So if I can throw a few bucks at some springs and and a sway bar, it will be money well $pent.

@markboris
I believe you lived in the Denver area at one time. Can you recommend a competent and trustworthy suspension shop near here?

Tim, I’ve never lived in CO but I’m there at least every other month. Was there last week and will be again later this month. I have friends in Arvada, Boulder and Evergreen. Helping a friend the next few months with upgrades in his new home. I can ask him as he’s also into cars and is a mechanic for United at DIA so his buddies might know of a place. Do you have tools and a floor jack, jack stands to do this or it’s nothing you would attempt?

 

[HuntingPudel]

Yeah, for the first year GTPE, for whatever reason, they did not quite have the Mag-ride dialed in. It has improved in the intervening years by all accounts. My car rides like a lumber wagon at times, and my wife with her bad back complains. So if I can throw a few bucks at some springs and and a sway bar, it will be money well $pent.
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I had no complaints about my 2021 GT-PE other than the suspension was too soft, steering a bit imprecise, and the 5-second limit. The 2024 is still too soft, steering is the same, but at least they fixed the limiter. ??

 

[GT-Papa]

I have friends in Arvada, Boulder and Evergreen. Helping a friend the next few months with upgrades in his new home. I can ask him as he’s also into cars and is a mechanic for United at DIA so his buddies might know of a place. Do you have tools and a floor jack, jack stands to do this or it’s nothing you would attempt?

I do have a floor jack and stands but I'd rather have someone who knows what they're doing handle it. It would be a total learning experience for me as I've never done anything more complicated than ball joints and wheel bearings. I'll start looking for suspension shops but if your friends have a favorite shop, let me know, thx. Also, I'm rather fixated on the Rally springs but if there's some other setup that would give me a little more suspension travel with a softer ride, I'm all ears.

I had no complaints about my 2021 GT-PE other than the suspension was too soft, steering a bit imprecise, and the 5-second limit. The 2024 is still too soft, steering is the same, but at least they fixed the limiter.

If it was just me, I'd leave it as-is. But we use my car for every trip we take in town and almost every time we travel on bumpy roads and train tracks, I get an ear full. If she's willing to spend the money, we'll give it a shot.

 

[HuntingPudel]

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I'm rather fixated on the Rally springs but if there's some other setup that would give me a little more suspension travel with a softer ride, I'm all ears.
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The Rally springs are currently the smoothest, softest solution for all current years of Mach-E. ??

 

[tuminatr]

The Rally springs are currently the smoothest, softest solution for all current years of Mach-E. ??

Keep in mind the rally also has cross climate 2 tires and those are probably much better ride quality than the factory tires on the GTPE

I don't think you need to do the springs but its your car & money. Where I live the roads are horrible rather than fix them the city lowered the speed limit to 20 mph. Yep you read that correctly they lowered the speed limits city wide to 20mph with a few exceptions.

I did the sway bars and tires with a higher load range (you could simulate this by lowering the PSI to 37 for a shore time however its not going to be exact because every tire is different)

If you buy new tires use the use Tire Rack as a reference. Pick tires that are in the grand touring category. Grand Turing tires will offer much more comfort then the UHP Summer only tires that come with the car.

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