Manually tighten up wheel lug nuts?

[MoonRiver]

Here is a clip to demonstrate where to grab it matters, last minute of the clip says it

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[Teslaeata]

Stupidity is thinking everyone goes home and checks lug torque, especially the people who go somewhere to get service done because they don’t have the tools or know-how to do it themselves.

It’s a good point well put

No need to F about yourself with wheel nut torque if you don’t F about yourselves with rotating wheels or changing them for any other reason.

 

[Teslaeata]

Yes. ChatGPT was intoxicated when it gave you the info. It should stop smoking weed while on the job.

Haha! Supposed to drive on the grass, not smoke it!!

 

[superdave80]

The torque wrench is calibrated under a particular set up, say, at where the force is applied, to reach an accurate desired torque you have to apply the force at the same point.

Calibrating a torque wrench and using a torque wrench are two completely different things. You CALIBRATE with a known weight and distance to apply a set TORQUE to the wrench. The torque is what is now measured at the pivot point when USING the wrench. At this point, the wrench does not know or care where you apply the force.

One foot arm x 150 lbs is the exact same as a two foot arm x 75 lbs. That's just a basic fact of physics.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

It’s a good point well put

No need to F about yourself with wheel nut torque if you don’t F about yourselves with rotating wheels or changing them for any other reason.

If someone don’t have the equipment, desire, or room to do it themselves, then find a good shop that doesn’t use impact wrenches until they’re stopped and spun for 30 seconds or more. There are actually businesses that take pride in their work and are known to use torque wrenches when dealing with stuff that’s supposed to be torqued. Like, you know, maybe wheels? Those competent shops, though, may not be the ones that sold the tires or even the car’s dealer.

Once someone finds such a shop, owners can go back to preflighting and driving their cars.

Or, we can all just ignore all this stuff and complain on the various car forums. Personally, I like this idea best as it’s much more amusing and keeps me busy while having my morning coffee on these cold late fall days.*

*54F this morning. Where’s my ice scrapper?

 

[ChrisO]

Calibrating a torque wrench and using a torque wrench are two completely different things. You CALIBRATE with a known weight and distance to apply a set TORQUE to the wrench. The torque is what is now measured at the pivot point when USING the wrench. At this point, the wrench does not know or care where you apply the force.

One foot arm x 150 lbs is the exact same as a two foot arm x 75 lbs. That's just a basic fact of physics.

This is one of the things that threw me off too. A long time ago, I was tasked with calibrating torque wrenches, and was told some things to be careful of, but that is definitely different from using the torque wrench.

Note that there are things that you can do that will "fool it". Off angles, twisting, bending, jerking, ... You need to apply a nice smooth force at the correct angle to the bolt.

 

[Teslaeata]

If someone don’t have the equipment, desire, or room to do it themselves, then find a good shop that doesn’t use impact wrenches until they’re stopped and spun for 30 seconds or more. There are actually businesses that take pride in their work and are known to use torque wrenches when dealing with stuff that’s supposed to be torqued. Like, you know, maybe wheels? Those competent shops, though, may not be the ones that sold the tires or even the car’s dealer.

Once someone finds such a shop, owners can go back to preflighting and driving their cars.

Or, we can all just ignore all this stuff and complain on the various car forums. Personally, I like this idea best as it’s much more amusing and keeps me busy while having my morning coffee on these cold late fall days.*

*54F this morning. Where’s my ice scrapper?

I agree, Reddit type crap is amusing

-1C this morning and my e-heater is broke

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

-1C this morning and my e-heater is broke

Wait! What? Temperatures can be negative? Since when?!!!!

 

[Teslaeata]

Wait! What? Temperatures can be negative? Since when?!!!!

When you use Centigrade not that Fahrenheit they used in dinosaur times

Enjoy your cwoffee

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

When you use Centigrade not that Fahrenheit they used in dinosaur times

We’re just a wee bit backwards in the USA and darn proud of it (Apparently anyway). Why use a measuring system easily divisible by 10 with a freezing point of 0 and a boiling point of 100 when you can use a system with 0 set at the freezing point of some brine solution no one ever uses? Because reasons! That’s why!

The coldest winter I’ve experienced was in Calgary, Alberta many years ago while flying the 727. We were there for 3 days. Daytime high was -20F/-29 C. My grandfather was from Drumheller, further east in the planes. It’d have been even colder there. No idea know why he left.

I have a sneaking suspicion that there are no versions of the Mach-e heaters that can comfortably cope with blizzard in Calgary.

 

[ChrisO]

When you use Centigrade not that Fahrenheit they used in dinosaur times

Enjoy your cwoffee

Using Celsius in the US is hard. I set everything to Celius and still things like Android Auto gives me the temperature in Fahrenheit.

People make too much out of this in my opinion. As long as you can stick with one or the other, they are both fine. I have heard all of the arguments for both and most of it is bogus or just plain wrong.

 

[MoonRiver]

Calibrating a torque wrench and using a torque wrench are two completely different things. You CALIBRATE with a known weight and distance to apply a set TORQUE to the wrench. The torque is what is now measured at the pivot point when USING the wrench. At this point, the wrench does not know or care where you apply the force.

One foot arm x 150 lbs is the exact same as a two foot arm x 75 lbs. That's just a basic fact of physics.

Now you are talking about physics. Let's take a look at the physics inside a click type torque wrench

Fx lg, the torque to the red block is what makes the wrench click, it's calibrated. Yes, it doesn't matter where you pull the wrench at, as long as F gets it click. BUT. the smaller the Lg meaning the closer to the drive, the bigger the F, the bigger the F the bigger the force applied to the red block, then the bigger the torque to the drive. It's now over torqued.

 

[Teslaeata]

Using Celsius in the US is hard. I set everything to Celius and still things like Android Auto gives me the temperature in Fahrenheit.

People make too much out of this in my opinion. As long as you can stick with one or the other, they are both fine. I have heard all of the arguments for both and most of it is bogus or just plain wrong.

Best not even go down the Newton metres boulevard, then

 

[grein002]

the issue with applying force other than at the handle of the torque wrench was/is a thing for beam-type wrenches with an indicator pointer that extends from the socket end back to the handle. These wrenches work by measuring the amount of bend in the arm from the handle back to the socket. Applying force anywhere other than at the center of the handle interferes with this measurement. Digital or click-type wrenches measure the force at the socket, so force can be applied anywhere along the lever arm.

 

[superdave80]

BUT. the smaller the Lg meaning the closer to the drive, the bigger the F, the bigger the F the bigger the force applied to the red block, then the bigger the torque to the drive. It's now over torqued.

F (regardless of it's magnitude) is not applied to the red block at all. It is squeezed on one side by the spring which pushes it against the ratchet (blue). It is not contacted at all by the hollow handle, which transmits all of the force/torque directly to the ratchet (blue).

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