Mileage Complaint

[Trevor]

As others have noted, the range estimator just provides an estimate based on your driving style. The European mileage rating is much more optimistic than the USA’s. The exact same vehicle in the USA is rated at 270 miles of range.

Drive it locally, being gentle with acceleration, going around 35mph, you will probably even beat the European estimate. Floor it every chance you get, regularly top 90mph, you’d be lucky for the estimator to project 230.

I am calculating on miles done, plus % left, not GoM.

I've done 2000 miles of gentle driving. Not getting anywhere near 335. Best miles per kwh were when driving it hard on OPD in Extreme.

I am rural based and not doing 90mph. Besides, that is illegal.

My point is, as you say, it is advertised here as 335, but 270 in the US. We paid for 335, but got 270. Not what I paid for.

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[Trevor]

Check your actual range that you are getting. Take your miles per kilowatt hour times your battery capacity (88 kWh) = actual range.

And take at the link below. The GOM is notoriously conservative.

https://www.macheforum.com/site/thr...ulate-how-far-your-mach-e-can-really-go.6104/

https://www.macheforum.com/site/thr...ar-your-mach-e-can-really-go.6104/post-171742

I do that. Gom is useless.

 

[Shayne]

I'm confused- looking up the 1st Edition Range turns up this result:
This First Edition Mach-E draws power from its standard 88-kilowatt-hour "Extended Range" battery pack paired with a single-gear transmission and motors at each axle to create all-wheel drive. The combination produces 346 hp and 428 lb-ft of torque and offers a range of up to 270 miles.

I'm not sure where you've seen 335 mile range but the top EPA range of a MME is 305 on a California Route 1

I think it maybe wltp range and you are looking up the epa range. I think his complaint is about the test that determines the wltp range and not the car? If he chargers it to 100% and drives it to 0% at a steady 40 mph he may be surprised and happier. If it drives it at 80 mph maybe not. It is a misunderstanding about ev's stated range I think. We know that the vehicle makes epa but wltp?

 

[Trevor]

I'm confused- looking up the 1st Edition Range turns up this result:
This First Edition Mach-E draws power from its standard 88-kilowatt-hour "Extended Range" battery pack paired with a single-gear transmission and motors at each axle to create all-wheel drive. The combination produces 346 hp and 428 lb-ft of torque and offers a range of up to 270 miles.

I'm not sure where you've seen 335 mile range but the top EPA range of a MME is 305 on a California Route 1

In the UK it is sold as doing 335 miles, not 270.

 

[Trevor]

The GOM is very conservative...

Don't trust the displayed range on indicator (GOM)! Best ways to calculate how far your Mach-E can really go | Ford Mustang Mach-E Forum - MachEforum.com

Thanks. I get that. Just don't like being misled. 335 is greater than 270. I was told it would do 335 miles by the dealer who sold it to me.

Not that it 'could do that', but is unlikely to ever do it.

 

[timbop]

I thought a mile was a mile, whether it was US or UK?? Range is 270 miles for your car. Unless we are talking imperial miles or something?? Idk, I may not be smarter than a 5th grader, but by all accounts on here and personally the MME has been beating the official range estimates quite often. Very happy with it on the front.

*Edit* Tim in FTW

Ha! Interesting, I mean if it’s 270 miles in the US I’d assume it’s 270 miles in the UK, I mean miles is miles.

I get what you mean though. Their testing for whatever reason shows a higher number than the US. I can say, I get about 350 miles on my Route 1 and it’s only rated for 305. The guess meter always shows low 300’s

A mile is a mile, but the testing procedures specified by the EPA methodology and the WLTP methodology are very different. Things like the mix of various speeds during the test, changes to speed in the test, calculations for air resistance (the tests are done on a dynamometer), weight, etc.

 

[timbop]

Thanks. I get that. Just don't like being misled. 335 is greater than 270. I was told it would do 335 miles by the dealer who sold it to me.

Not that it 'could do that', but is unlikely to ever do it.

again, the 270 is based on the EPA testing and is targeted for american highways. Read the article about the GOM: worry about the mi/kwh you actually get driving where and how you drive, not the wild-ass-guess that the range estimator tells you

 

[KZ6e1e]

In the UK it is sold as doing 335 miles, not 270.

I think you're barking up the wrong tree. The UK uses WLTP while over here we use EPA. They're both tests done on a dyno using specific parameters. There will be variables based upon climate, driving, etc. etc. etc.

Looks like whatcar measured 302 which is around what the EPA rates the RWD extended version.

light reading.


https://www.whatcar.com/news/range-test-how-far-can-electric-cars-go-in-the-real-world/n23331

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1118414_explainer-what-is-wltp-and-why-should-you-care

 

[DYohn]

I am calculating on miles done, plus % left, not GoM.

I've done 2000 miles of gentle driving. Not getting anywhere near 335. Best miles per kwh were when driving it hard on OPD in Extreme.

I am rural based and not doing 90mph. Besides, that is illegal.

My point is, as you say, it is advertised here as 335, but 270 in the US. We paid for 335, but got 270. Not what I paid for.

So take it back.

 

[Trevor]

I can’t search to look it up, but I don’t believe 335 is the extended range all wheel drive range.

I have the Route 1 with the extended battery, rear wheel and I believe it has the highest range of all the models at 305. Having AWD would push that number down, I thought the AWD were in the 275 range.

That was the figure when I bought it. It is 1 mile more than the return journey to my sons house in Lindon and back. ?yes, I know I'll have to add some juice to make the trip)

 

[Trevor]

So take it back.

I am trying to. Ford say my contract is with the dealer. The dealer says it is with Ford. Neither will send me the contract so I can take action.

I've been trying to get this sorted for 3 weeks but noone will take responsibility or fix my car. (Lots of other smaller issues are on-going too. Dealer couldn't fix them and Ford don't seem to know how to either).

 

[ARK]

I am calculating on miles done, plus % left, not GoM.

I've done 2000 miles of gentle driving. Not getting anywhere near 335. Best miles per kwh were when driving it hard on OPD in Extreme.

I am rural based and not doing 90mph. Besides, that is illegal.

My point is, as you say, it is advertised here as 335, but 270 in the US. We paid for 335, but got 270. Not what I paid for.

Do you happen to live in a hilly area? I live up a hilly area and when I go into the city, I go downhill. Even if I am driving the vehicle hard, when I am going downhill, I get exceptionally good energy efficiency, and the converse is also true. When I drive uphill to get home, even if I am feathering it, I get atrocious efficiency.

I wonder if you may be experiencing something similar if you see your data as reporting your best miles per kWh when driving it hard.

Aside from that, this isn’t really Ford’s doing, all automakers have to comply with the EPA’s parameters in the USA and the WLTP parameters in Europe. The WLTP universally gives much better mileage figures than the EPA. It’s true for any vehicle, electric or gas. This is just much more prominent with electric vehicles because range is a bigger issue, but unfortunately, you’d face the exact same issue if you were calculating your gas usage on a Mercedes sedan, Volkswagen SUV, anything sold in both the USA and Europe with the same powertrain.

 

[Trevor]

A mile is a mile, but the testing procedures specified by the EPA methodology and the WLTP methodology are very different. Things like the mix of various speeds during the test, changes to speed in the test, calculations for air resistance (the tests are done on a dynamometer), weight, etc.

I get that 335 is the highest figure, but 253 or 278 are nowhere near that figure and it is being sold as doing 335 (their ads, not mine).

I know how to drive 'economically' and could ( but rarely did) get 65 mpg from my X Drive 335d. I wa happy to get 40+ the way I drove it, but I simply can't get this up anywhere near the 335 (or above 300) figure.

I'd be happier with 300, or if they had said 270. But they didn't.

 

[hybrid2bev]

I am calculating on miles done, plus % left, not GoM.

I've done 2000 miles of gentle driving. Not getting anywhere near 335. Best miles per kwh were when driving it hard on OPD in Extreme.

I am rural based and not doing 90mph. Besides, that is illegal.

My point is, as you say, it is advertised here as 335, but 270 in the US. We paid for 335, but got 270. Not what I paid for.

Do you have any examples you can share? Starting and ending battery %, distance traveled and time it took?

 

[Trevor]

I can’t search to look it up, but I don’t believe 335 is the extended range all wheel drive range.

I have the Route 1 with the extended battery, rear wheel and I believe it has the highest range of all the models at 305. Having AWD would push that number down, I thought the AWD were in the 275 range.

I looked it up and the 335 was the posted figure when I purchased. Ford quote different figures for the UK.

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