Model Y to MachE - GT?

[Mach1E]

Frustrated Mach-E owner here:

It's a great car, I mean really great, but at this point, Ford makes me nervous. I just don't believe Ford can truly compete in the new-age tech-focused car world.

We have a giant screen that can do about 5% of what a Teslas screen can. We have a damn tic tac toe game for Pete's sake. We can't use the screen to do anything helpful.

Ford keeps over-promising and under-delivering. (date everyone will get blue cruise, amazon Alexa entering our cars, claiming they will be prompt with OTA's)

And the cherry on top is now they are saying the 2023 Mach E's will get a completely new Google-built OS while the early adopters who got the car will not be able to upgrade to it. So we will be stuck with an outdated OS 1-3 years after purchasing the car. Will this outdated OS get updates? Who knows, but it currently is the up to date OS and it isn't getting any updates ...

I'm very nervous and worried about my decision to buy this car, more specifically from this brand....

Rant done.

I guess it depends on your expectations.

I want my car to be a car. You want my screen to do car stuff (NAV, a/c, radio…)

I have a cell phone for video games and the like.

And if I want my car to do cell phone stuff, I’m glad we have CarPlay.

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[Pushrods&Capacitors]

I guess it depends on your expectations.

I want my car to be a car. You want my screen to do car stuff (NAV, a/c, radio…)

I have a cell phone for video games and the like.

And if I want my car to do cell phone stuff, I’m glad we have CarPlay.

A fucking Men. So sick of the tired refrain that focuses on having the penultimate tech/screen/OS vs a car that’s built well, looks good, and performs well.

 

[ridgebackpilot]

Why the Raptor? Well it depends on where we are headed - we go to N. Michigan a couple of times a year, virtually no Tesla chargers/or other EV chargers - so that would be a huge pain for us. Winter driving beyond 75 miles each way - if we don't want to stop to juice up. Those times where we need more room, towing, etc. But most importantly, the dog! He loves the cab of the F150 - so much room.

I do have another trip to New Hampshire in a few weeks - 400 miles or so. Did it last summer in our first MY (was my first road trip in an EV) - 4 stops each way if I remember correctly - I wanted to have it juiced up at the hotel. I was looking forward to doing that same journey in a few weeks in a Mach E.... maybe another year.

I hear you about driving in remote areas with no charging stations. Next month, I'm going fly fishing in central Oregon. There aren't many chargers there in the High Desert!

My F-150 Platinum Diesel has nearly 700 miles range, perfect for that application. I can take my pontoon boat with me and keep it inflated in the back of the truck. It's all about the right vehicle for the purpose!

 

[voxel]

The things I prefer on the Mach-E over the Y are the safety features important in urban driving: 360 camera, blind spot monitoring, cross traffic alerts, and a rear-wiper. Tesla is too stubborn to add such things. My new Telluride takes the safety features a notch higher with audio alerts for cars in heading into your blindspot when you attempt to change lanes - with a car that already has amazing visibility.

As for the Tesla UI - at least with the Mach-E, the native UI is good enough you can avoid using Satan's spawn (aka CarPlay).

CarPlay belongs on older 5+ year cars with crappy native systems (i.e RAV4s) that don't have navigation nor voice control. It's such a terrible system for modern cars since it duplicates functionality and often fights over audio + visual control. We'll all look back fondly at CarPlay like we do with flip-phones (lol).

 

[Teledatageek]

The things I prefer on the Mach-E over the Y are the safety features important in urban driving: 360 camera, blind spot monitoring, cross traffic alerts, and a rear-wiper. Tesla is too stubborn to add such things. My new Telluride takes the safety features a notch higher with audio alerts for cars in heading into your blindspot when you attempt to change lanes - with a car that already has amazing visibility.

As for the Tesla UI - at least with the Mach-E, the native UI is good enough you can avoid using Satan's spawn (aka CarPlay).

CarPlay belongs on older 5+ year cars with crappy native systems (i.e RAV4s) that don't have navigation nor voice control. It's such a terrible system for modern cars since it duplicates functionality and often fights over audio + visual control. We'll all look back fondly at CarPlay like we do with flip-phones (lol).

Wow - have to disagree with you on CarPlay. I think it's quite good now. The Tesla voice recognition is less than stellar with regard to calls in particular. That said, I think Sync 4 is pretty good, but nice to be able to handle texts via voice easily while on a road trip. Tesla sort of added blind spot monitoring with the screen that pops up upon activating the turn signal. Agree though that all cars should provide an audio alert - come on Ford! My Jeep GC did that as well as a few others in the past.

 

[Teledatageek]

Wanted to provide an update to the dealer negotiation. After sending them a copy of my title (with the VIN they requested to figure out the trade) on Saturday, I heard from them on Monday afternoon. Trade value of $60K for my Y which is laughable. I have a cash offer from Give Me the VIN of $68K. These folks are representative of a wholesale/auction type price as that's what they end of doing (sold our 1st MY to them) with the vehicle. I think our MY must have a retail value of $73K or so. Even Kelly Blue Book (dealer biased) had a trade value of $65K.

So instead of my paying a $5K ADM, they would likely make several thousand more at my expense on a trade. Why not just sell to GMTV and pay the ADM? Cause I get hit with sales tax on the whole purchase, makes me paying about $9K vs what I think should be $2K or $3K with trade. I also will not pay ADM - doesn't seem right.

I wrote the dealer back right away on Saturday with some facts, they came back with questions - e.g. is it a 7 seater, does it have FSD, etc. Figured they might come back with a better number, but two days later - crickets.

Unless a fair counter offer comes, we'll just sit it out for now. No compelling reason to change right now - other than we have always liked the MME better, but I had reservations about Ford figuring out the tech and thought better to wait. Reading some posts suggests that maybe that's still a challenge sometimes. Our current MY has had zero issues so there's that.

Bad news is that the tax credit for Ford will likely start reducing soon. But the good news is that there is a @year wait for someone to order a MY, so the value should hold for quite a while and we'll look at this again in '23 - most likely with a different dealer.

Replying to my own post here.... the dealer emerged yesterday. No reply since Monday... stellar sales process here. Simply saying that they didn't want to increase the offer on the MY until the GT is actually there at the dealership. Ironically, Give me the Vin wrote and said they will offer me more - not sure what the new number will be but safe to say maybe $70K. I do not see a deal happening... Also - the more I read about the GT Perf. suspension, the more than sounds more appealing - would just need to put new shoes on those wheels (which I like better). Of course I have not seen a single GTP for sale by a dealer.... So this is likely a next year thing.

 

[voxel]

Wow - have to disagree with you on CarPlay. I think it's quite good now. The Tesla voice recognition is less than stellar with regard to calls in particular. That said, I think Sync 4 is pretty good, but nice to be able to handle texts via voice easily while on a road trip. Tesla sort of added blind spot monitoring with the screen that pops up upon activating the turn signal. Agree though that all cars should provide an audio alert - come on Ford! My Jeep GC did that as well as a few others in the past.

CarPlay and how it interacts with the native system is the core problem.

Telluride map/nav gets stomped when using Carplay (i.e "Hey siri, play XXXXX" which then brings up CarPlay/Google Maps and covers up the Telluride map). CarPlay will audio stomp native SiriusXM radio when it gets confused too. Also, the native Kia voice recognition and Siri are pretty slow in comparison to the native Tesla one. From detection to repeating back your command.

I pretty much have to use 100% CarPlay or 100% Telluride native. The overall experience isn't as smooth as the Tesla's system.

Had similar CarPlay stomping issues with the ID.4 but there are so many bugs with the VW system that was the least of the problems. With the Mach-E, I just used native maps + SiriusXM with occasional Spotify use.

It was fine on my RAV4 Prime because mid-spec Toyotas do not have built in navigation nor apps. CarPlay would 100% control the maps and audio. The Map button on the prime would even open up CarPlay Google/Apple maps. That's CarPlay playing nice with the native system.

Tesla's on-screen blindspot monitor is a giant distraction when placed at the bottom left of the center screen. It's a pretty terrible design.

The Telluride has triple blindspot alerts (amber warning on the mirrors, audible alert for cars in your blindspot when you signal, and the mirror camera's live feed on the dashboard which is a much better place than the Tesla). Telluride's safety features are what all large/modern cars should have: front camera feed display, front sensor color-coded warning display, incredible cross traffic alerts (even better than the ones on the Mach-E which I think are fantastic), 360 camera.

I bought a Telluride because I needed the cargo carrying space for weekend trips and am driving it almost like my daily.

FYI Carvana offered me $69.5K for my 2022 Model Y. I paid $58K for it three months ago. My Ford dealer sent my first Y to auction and paid a fair wholesale market value for it so I'm expecting the same when I trade this Y again for a Mach-E. My first Mach-E was a Standard Range.

 

[Eugene]

there ain't many more buttons on Mach E either. you don't have AC or audio buttons except the big volume knob (and usual steering wheel controls). you do get wiper and mirror controls, but they are rarely used.

that being said, the interior of Mach E feels more upscaled, not Model Y cheap plastic everywhere. the GT should be much quicker than you 7-seat Y also. some nice features such as hand-free lift gate, homelink (buttons), it may have auto-park (but most people don't use it). software may be buggy comparing to Tesla and OTA rarely works...

but it looks way better than model Y IMO.

They got rid of the hands free lift gate January 2022 on up.

 

[Teledatageek]

Drove by another Ford dealership in the country earlier in the week. Don't they have two GT's - Grabber Blue and Black. We stop and take the GB out for a test drive - whew - much quicker than the Premium we drove a year or so ago! Did experience a couple of bugs during the drive with the screen/features which didn't inspire confidence. But, for a short while I'm interested... then the pricing games start.

Salesman first said they were adding $1K ADM. That turned into a $3K ADM and a $64K offer on my MY - so about $5,500 out of pocket. I suggested an even trade still results in them making quite a bit - MachE at MSRP and they would likely yield $7K on my Tesla. I have heard that the goal has typically been a $5K margin for dealers taking trades and reselling.

I suppose it would be a positive for me considering the $7.5K tax credit. I still have a hard time with an ADM and a less than fair trade number. Still think there are shortfalls vs. my current MY - charging on the road, app, OTA updates sounds not so good , and the 5 second thing. For the right deal, maybe......

 

[Mach1E]

Drove by another Ford dealership in the country earlier in the week. Don't they have two GT's - Grabber Blue and Black. We stop and take the GB out for a test drive - whew - much quicker than the Premium we drove a year or so ago! Did experience a couple of bugs during the drive with the screen/features which didn't inspire confidence. But, for a short while I'm interested... then the pricing games start.

Salesman first said they were adding $1K ADM. That turned into a $3K ADM and a $64K offer on my MY - so about $5,500 out of pocket. I suggested an even trade still results in them making quite a bit - MachE at MSRP and they would likely yield $7K on my Tesla. I have heard that the goal has typically been a $5K margin for dealers taking trades and reselling.

I suppose it would be a positive for me considering the $7.5K tax credit. I still have a hard time with an ADM and a less than fair trade number. Still think there are shortfalls vs. my current MY - charging on the road, app, OTA updates sounds not so good , and the 5 second thing. For the right deal, maybe......

Lock in their selling price, then try to sell your a model Y to Carvana, Vroom or the like.

If you wait more than a few hours thinking about it, the cars you looked at may be gone!

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