Model Y to MachE - GT?

[Teledatageek]

Wanted to get some input... We have always liked the MachE (have had lots of Fords), but thought we would give it some time to mature, better app, etc.

Currently on our 2nd Model Y, which we got in Nov. 2021. Went from a '21 MY to '22 MY - went from 20" wheels to 19" wheels and 7 passenger.

Have a possible opportunity to trade in the MY for a MME GT (on it's way in to the dealer for arrival in a couple of weeks). Dealer says selling at MSRP, only if we trade the Y in. OK, sure... but we course save sales tax so maybe it'll work out. I expect to have that number tomorrow. I imagine they can send it to the auction and make a quick $5 or $6K. Not my issue of course, but otherwise they want an ADM of $5K - which I refuse to pay.

Why change? Have concluded we don't need a 7 seater; Don't really need the Super Charger network - we have taken one trip in the Y, but will likely take our Raptor for any road trips beyond 75 miles. So that takes charging out of the picture for the most part. Miss the buttons, CarPlay, etc.

Questions:

1. Ride quality - Have read that the GT (not performance) can be a bit rough. We have only driven the premium and it was more than a year ago. I don't think we'll get to drive one before doing this deal. Haven't seen any GT-P's for sale and not digging the summer tires, etc.

2. Options - The one we are looking at has Blue Cruise and the Glass roof. Are there any other options? That's all I have seen looking at window stickers other than floor mats from the factory.

Anyone done this jump? Seems like the app is not going to be nearly as good, but a big jump in performance (I don't see the 5 second thing as an issue for us). Any other downsides (or pro's) I'm missing?

If it doesn't work out, no big - we'll just wait for the market to progress. I'm certain the Y will hold it's value for another year or two - basically driving for free.

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[Ming]

there ain't many more buttons on Mach E either. you don't have AC or audio buttons except the big volume knob (and usual steering wheel controls). you do get wiper and mirror controls, but they are rarely used.

that being said, the interior of Mach E feels more upscaled, not Model Y cheap plastic everywhere. the GT should be much quicker than you 7-seat Y also. some nice features such as hand-free lift gate, homelink (buttons), it may have auto-park (but most people don't use it). software may be buggy comparing to Tesla and OTA rarely works...

but it looks way better than model Y IMO.

 

[JohnnyForensic]

…and CarPlay or Android Auto makes up a lot for the tech!

 

[ARK]

Definitely check out what online used car buying companies like CarMax and Driveway will offer.

I understand the refusal on paying ADM, but the dealer can easily give you an even worse deal by screwing you with a poor trade in value (that is nowhere enough to make up for the sales tax savings).

If it turns out the dealer’s offered value is terrible, and they won’t sell you the GT without an ADM without doing the trade in, you may have to walk.

Just because they don’t officially label it an ADM doesn’t mean they are giving you a square deal. Same thing with a new Tesla order, btw, prices are up so much their ADM is baked in for every new purchaser at this point.

 

[Electric Goat]

The GT rides like a sports SUV should. If you're looking for something soft then the standard GT possibly isn't for you. I love the firm ride but I also love daily driving sports cars. My wife doesn't like how the GT rides but she doesn't like riding in sports cars.

I've been told that the GTPE does a good job of numbing out the road feel but the standard GT communicates road feel back to the driver better.

Maybe upgrade to a GTPE with the magnaride or look at something else where the suspension isn't tuned with the driving enthusiast in mind?

 

[Regularmache]

It rides better than your Avatar I can guarantee that! It's better than our 2021 Audi A5 Quattro Redline but tires play a big part in going firmer or more pliable. I have to ask, does putting loved ones in the third row of the Y scare you at all from a rear end accident?We thought about the 7 seater Y and we're a little surprised at the lack of a buffer zone.

 

[MisterSofa]

I would wait for a 2023. You have a nice car. No need to hurry.

 

[Pushrods&Capacitors]

Wanted to get some input... We have always liked the MachE (have had lots of Fords), but thought we would give it some time to mature, better app, etc.

Currently on our 2nd Model Y, which we got in Nov. 2021. Went from a '21 MY to '22 MY - went from 20" wheels to 19" wheels and 7 passenger.

Have a possible opportunity to trade in the MY for a MME GT (on it's way in to the dealer for arrival in a couple of weeks). Dealer says selling at MSRP, only if we trade the Y in. OK, sure... but we course save sales tax so maybe it'll work out. I expect to have that number tomorrow. I imagine they can send it to the auction and make a quick $5 or $6K. Not my issue of course, but otherwise they want an ADM of $5K - which I refuse to pay.

Why change? Have concluded we don't need a 7 seater; Don't really need the Super Charger network - we have taken one trip in the Y, but will likely take our Raptor for any road trips beyond 75 miles. So that takes charging out of the picture for the most part. Miss the buttons, CarPlay, etc.

Questions:

1. Ride quality - Have read that the GT (not performance) can be a bit rough. We have only driven the premium and it was more than a year ago. I don't think we'll get to drive one before doing this deal. Haven't seen any GT-P's for sale and not digging the summer tires, etc.

2. Options - The one we are looking at has Blue Cruise and the Glass roof. Are there any other options? That's all I have seen looking at window stickers other than floor mats from the factory.

Anyone done this jump? Seems like the app is not going to be nearly as good, but a big jump in performance (I don't see the 5 second thing as an issue for us). Any other downsides (or pro's) I'm missing?

If it doesn't work out, no big - we'll just wait for the market to progress. I'm certain the Y will hold it's value for another year or two - basically driving for free.

GTPE superior in all facets except the performance you mention. Was your Y a dual motor LR? Acceleration boost? If not then you’ll see a quicker 0-60 in the GTPE but that’s it. Your passing times, especially at highway speeds are likely better in the Y. Because of the 5-sec issue you mentioned.

 

[Teledatageek]

GTPE superior in all facets except the performance you mention. Was your Y a dual motor LR? Acceleration boost? If not then you’ll see a quicker 0-60 in the GTPE but that’s it. Your passing times, especially at highway speeds are likely better in the Y. Because of the 5-sec issue you mentioned.

Y is a dual motor LR. I actually tried acceleration boost and didn’t notice the difference enough to think it was worth the $2K. Returned it. On the 5 second limitation - seems like enough time to accelerate as much as I would want to. Does it “reset” after backing off full throttle?

 

[Teledatageek]

It rides better than your Avatar I can guarantee that! It's better than our 2021 Audi A5 Quattro Redline but tires play a big part in going firmer or more pliable. I have to ask, does putting loved ones in the third row of the Y scare you at all from a rear end accident?We thought about the 7 seater Y and we're a little surprised at the lack of a buffer zone.

I’m sure much better than my old Boss, wish I still had it. Of course one’s perception in their 20’s is different when on gets into their 50’s!

Our planned use for the 3rd row was very limited. A few times a year at the most. I would not regularly put anyone back there, etc.

 

[Teledatageek]

The GT rides like a sports SUV should. If you're looking for something soft then the standard GT possibly isn't for you. I love the firm ride but I also love daily driving sports cars. My wife doesn't like how the GT rides but she doesn't like riding in sports cars.

I've been told that the GTPE does a good job of numbing out the road feel but the standard GT communicates road feel back to the driver better.

Maybe upgrade to a GTPE with the magnaride or look at something else where the suspension isn't tuned with the driving enthusiast in mind?

Potholes with the 20” wheels in the MY were jarring. Haven’t seen any GTPE’s for sale.

Didn’t get the MY Performance for similar reasons. Raptor, on the other hand is like being in a magic carpet.

 

[Teledatageek]

Definitely check out what online used car buying companies like CarMax and Driveway will offer.

I understand the refusal on paying ADM, but the dealer can easily give you an even worse deal by screwing you with a poor trade in value (that is nowhere enough to make up for the sales tax savings).

If it turns out the dealer’s offered value is terrible, and they won’t sell you the GT without an ADM without doing the trade in, you may have to walk.

Just because they don’t officially label it an ADM doesn’t mean they are giving you a square deal. Same thing with a new Tesla order, btw, prices are up so much their ADM is baked in for every new purchaser at this point.

Understood. I have a number in mind. I feel like they may play games and then I walk. No hurry or compelling reason to do this now anyway. At least with Tesla, the price is the price - even though they have raised them several times in the last year.

 

[Teledatageek]

Understood. I have a number in mind. I feel like they may play games and then I walk. No hurry or compelling reason to do this now anyway. At least with Tesla, the price is the price - even though they have raised them several times in the last year.

Wanted to provide an update to the dealer negotiation. After sending them a copy of my title (with the VIN they requested to figure out the trade) on Saturday, I heard from them on Monday afternoon. Trade value of $60K for my Y which is laughable. I have a cash offer from Give Me the VIN of $68K. These folks are representative of a wholesale/auction type price as that's what they end of doing (sold our 1st MY to them) with the vehicle. I think our MY must have a retail value of $73K or so. Even Kelly Blue Book (dealer biased) had a trade value of $65K.

So instead of my paying a $5K ADM, they would likely make several thousand more at my expense on a trade. Why not just sell to GMTV and pay the ADM? Cause I get hit with sales tax on the whole purchase, makes me paying about $9K vs what I think should be $2K or $3K with trade. I also will not pay ADM - doesn't seem right.

I wrote the dealer back right away on Saturday with some facts, they came back with questions - e.g. is it a 7 seater, does it have FSD, etc. Figured they might come back with a better number, but two days later - crickets.

Unless a fair counter offer comes, we'll just sit it out for now. No compelling reason to change right now - other than we have always liked the MME better, but I had reservations about Ford figuring out the tech and thought better to wait. Reading some posts suggests that maybe that's still a challenge sometimes. Our current MY has had zero issues so there's that.

Bad news is that the tax credit for Ford will likely start reducing soon. But the good news is that there is a @year wait for someone to order a MY, so the value should hold for quite a while and we'll look at this again in '23 - most likely with a different dealer.

 

[ridgebackpilot]

Wise decisions not to pay ADM and keep your Model Y for a while.

I have 19-inch tires on both my Model 3 LR and MME Premium RWD. They handle potholes far better than the 20-inch tires.

The Tesla is better in some areas than the MME and vice versa. The MME has better build quality and is sturdier on rough roads. The Tesla has better tech, easier charging, and far better app.

BTW you can use your Tesla Wall Charger to juice up your MME, using the TeslaTap adapters. No need to install another charger just for the MME.

With wide availability of charging stations, why would you take your gas-guzzler Raptor on long trips rather than the Model Y or MME? I do just the opposite; my Ford F150 Diesel is for short trips near home and I use my EVs for longer drives. As a result, I save big on gas!

Consumer Reports rates the MME far higher than the Model Y. When you eventually acquire one, you'l see why!

 

[The Black Horse]

Frustrated Mach-E owner here:

It's a great car, I mean really great, but at this point, Ford makes me nervous. I just don't believe Ford can truly compete in the new-age tech-focused car world.

We have a giant screen that can do about 5% of what a Teslas screen can. We have a damn tic tac toe game for Pete's sake. We can't use the screen to do anything helpful.

Ford keeps over-promising and under-delivering. (date everyone will get blue cruise, amazon Alexa entering our cars, claiming they will be prompt with OTA's)

And the cherry on top is now they are saying the 2023 Mach E's will get a completely new Google-built OS while the early adopters who got the car will not be able to upgrade to it. So we will be stuck with an outdated OS 1-3 years after purchasing the car. Will this outdated OS get updates? Who knows, but it currently is the up to date OS and it isn't getting any updates ...

I'm very nervous and worried about my decision to buy this car, more specifically from this brand....

Rant done.

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