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The Nav will continue to work, but without any connected services. So no live traffic, charger status, etc.
I think this is dead on. Maps and navigation will still work, The trip planner where it adds chargers automatically will still work, but you won't get map updates, traffic, weather, charger availability, etc.

Has there been any indication or guess of how much the subscription will cost after the "3 year trial?"
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No. I'd be willing to bet Ford hasn't even decided yet.
Is it too much to hope that maybe after three years they'll decide it's too essential to the functioning of the vehicle and just say it's included. This was something that happened with the Chevy Volt OnStar services when they basically said "essential services are free into perpetuity." Perhaps they'll decide some of this stuff is "essential."
 

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Is it too much to hope that maybe after three years they'll decide it's too essential to the functioning of the vehicle and just say it's included. This was something that happened with the Chevy Volt OnStar services when they basically said "essential services are free into perpetuity." Perhaps they'll decide some of this stuff is "essential."
It's certainly a possibility. Ford used to charge a subscription for basic app functionality like unlock and start, but then decided to make it free (most manufacturers still charge for this).
 

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It's certainly a possibility. Ford used to charge a subscription for basic app functionality like unlock and start, but then decided to make it free (most manufacturers still charge for this).
was that in FordPass world? MyFord Mobile in EV/PHEV world never charged for that, even after the "complimentary 5 years" as far as I know?
 


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Is it too much to hope that maybe after three years they'll decide it's too essential to the functioning of the vehicle and just say it's included. This was something that happened with the Chevy Volt OnStar services when they basically said "essential services are free into perpetuity." Perhaps they'll decide some of this stuff is "essential."
I just can't imagine that this is a business model that they can hope to make money off of in today's world. Too many free (and very good) alternatives that can be displayed in the exact same place on your screen. I can't imagine that many people would pay for an update, and it would seem like then it just becomes really lousy marketing on Ford's part - I'm being reminded I need to pay for something that I'm getting from a better service for free. I guess I've seen stupider stuff done in the corporate world, but it certainly doesn't seem like a good decision.

Likewise, it almost doesn't matter to me, even if they decided to. I will probably use the other navigation options available to me far more often than I will the built in one.
 
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I just can't imagine that this is a business model that they can hope to make money off of in today's world. Too many free (and very good) alternatives that can be displayed in the exact same place on your screen. I can't imagine that many people would pay for an update, and it would seem like then it just becomes really lousy marketing on Ford's part - I'm being reminded I need to pay for something that I'm getting from a better service for free. I guess I've seen stupider stuff done in the corporate world, but it certainly doesn't seem like a good decision.

Likewise, it almost doesn't matter to me, even if they decided to. I will probably use the other navigation options available to me far more often than I will the built in one.
You never know, the ability to have a properly native navigation that doesnt necessarily depend on having connectivity might be enough to warrant them to charge for a more realtime updated premium version. I mean in many conventional vehicles you still need to buy an SD card for the most updated maps so Ford could still be following this mentality. Has it been verified that the maps on MME are current?
 

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We really don't know the answer and I'm not sure Ford does either. Some earlier Fords came with 3 years of complementary connected services and were supposed to pay after that. Ford then decided to waive the subsequent charges. My guess is they decided it cost too much to implement the payment vs the income stream and made it free. We might see the same or we might have to pay.

Recall that the $600 OTA update for hands-free will be an initial 3-year subscription as well.
 

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...Ford then decided to waive the subsequent charges. My guess is they decided it cost too much to implement the payment vs the income stream and made it free. We might see the same or we might have to pay.
I've seen it go both ways on previous Chrysler vehicles. In one situation they decided it wasn't profitable after implementation, and enabled things for free. In the other they decided it wasn't profitable and released a firmware update that COMPLETELY REMOVED features from the products.
 

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was that in FordPass world? MyFord Mobile in EV/PHEV world never charged for that, even after the "complimentary 5 years" as far as I know?
It may have been before that. I had remote start/lock over cellular in a 2013 Explorer and had to pay $60/yr for it.

Edit: Looks like Ford had originally planned to charge for FordPass connected services after an initial trial period but decided to make it free in 2019 before anyone's trial period actually expired.

https://www.cars.com/articles/ford-makes-fordpass-connect-remote-vehicle-services-free-411276/
 

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You never know, the ability to have a properly native navigation that doesnt necessarily depend on having connectivity might be enough to warrant them to charge for a more realtime updated premium version. I mean in many conventional vehicles you still need to buy an SD card for the most updated maps so Ford could still be following this mentality. Has it been verified that the maps on MME are current?
I want to preface the following with a statement that my counter thoughts below are meant with the utmost respect. I do not have enough of an ego to think that my opinions on the matter have any more strength or validity than your own, and, as a matter of fact, I think your post is very well thought out.

"You never know..." - I 100% agree. There is just no way of telling what direction this will take.

"navigation that doesn't necessarily depend on having connectivity" - I'm sure others have had different results, depending on where you live and travel, but in the last five years, I can remember one time where I lost my trip planning due to poor connectivity. It absolutely happens, but it just doesn't seem that it is a meaningful enough number of times. I'm sure there are some who live in areas where this would be more needed, but is that really a very significant number?

"realtime updated premium version" - It just doesn't seem very "premium." I have not used it myself, so I probably should delete my whole input here, but from what others have said in this and other threads, it seems to be somewhat lacking.

Ultimately, as I have already pointed out, the never knowing is probably the most important part. I certainly wouldn't be surprised if Ford does end up charging. The part that is hardest for me to conceive is where the value is. Yes, the true GPS does not have the connectivity issues, and, yes, I do understand that it does carry a perceived "premium" cachet, but I guess it is still very difficult for me to see the value in a large enough population of potential purchasers.
 

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It may have been before that. I had remote start/lock over cellular in a 2013 Explorer and had to pay $60/yr for it.

Edit: Looks like Ford had originally planned to charge for FordPass connected services after an initial trial period but decided to make it free in 2019 before anyone's trial period actually expired.

https://www.cars.com/articles/ford-makes-fordpass-connect-remote-vehicle-services-free-411276/
MyFord Mobile != FordPass so that would explain the difference here. I didn't know FordPass went back that far.
 

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I've seen it go both ways on previous Chrysler vehicles. In one situation they decided it wasn't profitable after implementation, and enabled things for free. In the other they decided it wasn't profitable and released a firmware update that COMPLETELY REMOVED features from the products.
Chrysler is horrible with this. My wife's Pacifica (and my Cherokee before that) fully support remote start/lock/unlock with the Uconnect app over cellular. They came with 1 year free, but they charge $15/mo after that. The functionality is nice to have, but there's no way I'm paying $15/mo for it.
 
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I want to preface the following with a statement that my counter thoughts below are meant with the utmost respect. I do not have enough of an ego to think that my opinions on the matter have any more strength or validity than your own, and, as a matter of fact, I think your post is very well thought out.

"You never know..." - I 100% agree. There is just no way of telling what direction this will take.

"navigation that doesn't necessarily depend on having connectivity" - I'm sure others have had different results, depending on where you live and travel, but in the last five years, I can remember one time where I lost my trip planning due to poor connectivity. It absolutely happens, but it just doesn't seem that it is a meaningful enough number of times. I'm sure there are some who live in areas where this would be more needed, but is that really a very significant number?

"realtime updated premium version" - It just doesn't seem very "premium." I have not used it myself, so I probably should delete my whole input here, but from what others have said in this and other threads, it seems to be somewhat lacking.

Ultimately, as I have already pointed out, the never knowing is probably the most important part. I certainly wouldn't be surprised if Ford does end up charging. The part that is hardest for me to conceive is where the value is. Yes, the true GPS does not have the connectivity issues, and, yes, I do understand that it does carry a perceived "premium" cachet, but I guess it is still very difficult for me to see the value in a large enough population of potential purchasers.
Oh I agree with you 100% I was really trying to put myself in the shoes of a manufacturer trying to justify the cost of paying for the extra services. I don't know if many of you remember but when GPS first came out you had to pay a monthly fee just for it to work
 

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The Nav will continue to work, but without any connected services. So no live traffic, charger status, etc.
I believe we were promised three years on the 2017 Fusion Energi w/ Sync3. Closing in on the 5 year anniversary without any changes...services such as weather, traffic, still work.

I did have to pay to update the Maps. There were no free updates along the way. You could not even pay for an update the first couple of years, then an update was offered, then retracted and finally made available just before.....not sure when...before COVID.
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