Not All V3 Superchargers are Ford Accessible

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At https://www.tesla.com/findus you can search an area and filter the results for charging non-Tesla EVs
One of their search options is "Superchargers open to NACS", which shows a lot more locations on the map. They have this note:

NACS Adapter Required to Charge at this Supercharger. This Supercharger is Open to Tesla and NACS Enabled Vehicles with CCS Compatibility.

Doesn't the Mach-E have CCS compatibility and uses a NACS adapter? What am I not understanding?
 

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As I was making a quick trip from NY to DC I noticed that the new rest stops (which are quite nice) on the NJ Turnpike have V3 Superchargers, announced back in 2020: https://insideevs.com/news/401141/tesla-installs-64-superchargers-new-jersey-turnpike/

I got excited I can use the turnpike chargers once my adapter arrives, and avoid the notoriously busy and never fully working Wawa Electrify America in Delaware.

Alas, Tesla was serious about not opening all V3’s to other EVs, as I see none of the turnpike chargers are available on FordPass. This is really a shame and I shouldn’t be surprised that Tesla is doing this. Hopefully with its bad quarter they will soon realize they are missing out on a lot of charging revenue.
There are different versions of the V3 chargers, remember to look at the color of the collar. Black is good, and silver is not compatible.

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The silver collar is V2. Not a different version of V3.
thanks for clarifying. 2 different types of v3 would be silly.

the reality remains, and as stated in the announcement - not all v3 superchargers are available to Ford drivers. And based on a quick search none at rest stops between DC and NYC. This is quite annoying at best and hindering EV transformation at worst.
 


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thanks for clarifying. 2 different types of v3 would be silly.

the reality remains, and as stated in the announcement - not all v3 superchargers are available to Ford drivers. And based on a quick search none at rest stops between DC and NYC. This is quite annoying at best and hindering EV transformation at worst.
Yeah. Tesla isn’t really very good at upgrading older infrastructure. They never have been. It’s rare they even replace a V2 with V3. If anything they sometimes will add to the site but leave the old ones too.

With any luck they will jump to V4 and go back to upgrade the V2’s but I’m not optimistic. Their current charging equipment doesn’t really even support their new Cybertruck that really needs 1000v chargers. Cyber truck owners will have to use other companies if they want full charging speeds. Doesn’t make a lot of sense.
 

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thanks for clarifying. 2 different types of v3 would be silly.

the reality remains, and as stated in the announcement - not all v3 superchargers are available to Ford drivers. And based on a quick search none at rest stops between DC and NYC. This is quite annoying at best and hindering EV transformation at worst.
Having worked for tesla, although not on chargers, that is exactly the sort of thing they do regularly.

there were tweaks made all the time to the original chargers before they started having versions. Sometimes a change wpuld be made and it wouldn’t work with certain production date cars.

it is not a well run company.
 

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I was using some of my free Electrify America kilowatt hours today, and there was a nice big $85,000 Rivian there charging. The Electrify America charging stations are the only one around this area and mine was charging at like 37 kWh so I moved over to another one. I guess they called it the 150 kW charger and it started charging at 119 kW. The Rivian was plugged into one that said hyper charge 350 and he was charging at 200+ so I guess my question is I have the extended battery on my mustang I’m assuming I can use that one and I can’t believe that I never noticed it. I thought they were all 150 kW. I guess the 350 is like a supercharger Tesla?

I don’t travel in the car so I don’t charge it any place at home that’s why I’m kind of new at this.
 

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Folks, Tesla stated this would be the case when they opened up on Feb 29. The stations that are a mix of V2 and V3 will not be opened to non-Teslas for now. I think that mixed stations maybe more complicated seeing as how V2 uses can-bus.

I can't speak to the V3 stations mentioned in this thread, but generally speaking, Tesla must update the software at each of the V3 stations and change out some hardware at these stations.
Yes, I remember they said they would not open all V3 to NACS adapters, and as a private business they can do what they want, I'm a bit disappointed about the freeway rest stops issue, is all. It's a special case because (at least in the past) getting on and off a toll road would sometimes / often require extra payment (depending on the exact toll road, two shorter segments might be more than one longer segment). The rest stops inside a toll road are also more convenient, and owned by the state they go through. The mandate for the state is to serve the drivers passing through, so having a broad spread of charging options is part of their mandate, so I would hope the state that owns the rest area presses Tesla to make those NACS compatible.

Regarding whether a hardware updates is required at every V3 station to support n NACS converter - where did you see that? I remember "difficulties" in upgrading split V2/V3 stations which might imply hardware, but I don't remember anything about a pure V3 station? They turned on a lot of stations in a hurry, if each of the thousands of docs required opening up and replacing something, I'd be impressed.
 

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I was using some of my free Electrify America kilowatt hours today, and there was a nice big $85,000 Rivian there charging. The Electrify America charging stations are the only one around this area and mine was charging at like 37 kWh so I moved over to another one. I guess they called it the 150 kW charger and it started charging at 119 kW. The Rivian was plugged into one that said hyper charge 350 and he was charging at 200+ so I guess my question is I have the extended battery on my mustang I’m assuming I can use that one and I can’t believe that I never noticed it. I thought they were all 150 kW. I guess the 350 is like a supercharger Tesla?
The issue of the "KW rating" of chargers, and how fast they will charge your car, is fairly complicated. I'd suggest finding some of the threads / general posts on the topic. The short form is you can use anything the plug fits. 350kw rated chargers almost certainly will max out your machE. 150kw, 200kw, even 50kw, get more complicated.
 

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Is there a way to search for V4 charges only? Tesla app or otherwise?
 

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Regarding whether a hardware updates is required at every V3 station to support n NACS converter - where did you see that? I remember "difficulties" in upgrading split V2/V3 stations which might imply hardware, but I don't remember anything about a pure V3 station? They turned on a lot of stations in a hurry, if each of the thousands of docs required opening up and replacing something, I'd be impressed.
i don't think @AhardFSU was indicating "every" station needed upgrades to support NACS - just some of those that still haven't been made available. some of the V3 cabinets pre-date the rollout of ISO-15118 capability by YEARS so it isn't unsurprising that older ones may need a mix of hardware+software to get them up to date. they don't have to open all of the dispensers though - tesla manages all of this closer to a site-wide basis.

in any case, since tesla doesn't share that information with the world in general we're FAR into the world of speculation. those of us far removed from the details may not have much more than tea leaves to work with.
 

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I was using some of my free Electrify America kilowatt hours today, and there was a nice big $85,000 Rivian there charging. The Electrify America charging stations are the only one around this area and mine was charging at like 37 kWh so I moved over to another one. I guess they called it the 150 kW charger and it started charging at 119 kW. The Rivian was plugged into one that said hyper charge 350 and he was charging at 200+ so I guess my question is I have the extended battery on my mustang I’m assuming I can use that one and I can’t believe that I never noticed it. I thought they were all 150 kW. I guess the 350 is like a supercharger Tesla?

I don’t travel in the car so I don’t charge it any place at home that’s why I’m kind of new at this.
In short, you can't get any real benefit from a 350kW charger, and the Rivian can. So you should stick with 150s unless there are multiple 350s.
 

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Is there a way to search for V4 charges only? Tesla app or otherwise?
there are no "V4 Chargers" out there yet - there are V4 dispensers with V3 cabinets. supercharge.info has an indication of the dispenser version but there isn't currently a way to filter on it and they're still tuning the data.
 

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In short, you can't get any real benefit from a 350kW charger, and the Rivian can. So you should stick with 150s unless there are multiple 350s.
Thanks, Rick yeah, that spot where I was charging There’s like two or four of those 350 I’ve just never noticed them for some reason. The only reason I saw it the other day because the Rivian was over there and the one I was on gave me an error after charging for about five minutes and it was only charging about 35 kW so I went to the other 150 and that charging right around 90 so I’ll try the 350 next time.
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