Pay $4000 over sticker for basically a left over

[Bmr4MachE]

Once we get close to the $7500 rebate phasing down it will be wise to pay a slight ADM and get 100% of the incentive versus wait for your order or to find one at MSRP and get 50% or 25% of the incentive.

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[nvabill]

Well, the 2022s did lose a couple minor features, so when I personally was looking to potentially sell my Mach-E and buy another to pocket the tax savings because of how high used prices are, I was focusing on Job 2 2021 Mach-Es.

Guess I’m looking at the California Route 1 that I ordered, they actually gaining features over the ‘21 models.

 

[nvabill]

Main reason for 2021 model is power liftgate and acoustic glass? Maybe not having to wait 6-9 months and that's $3,600 in gas cost if they must have a car now?

OR, just buy the 2021 now, then sell that when the 2022 comes in. I think a few people are doing that actually. Get double tax credits (assuming someone has the liability in 1 tax year).


To OP, I question whether those cars are honestly on the lot. Everything shipped is posted, even customer ordered cars so maybe that dealer just got a large shipment and people will be picking them up over the next week and after a bit, there will be 0 available.

Within 60 miles of me, I only see 5 Premiums.

Good point, double tax break sounds sweet!

 

[JerryL]

From what I read here, if you need a vehicle ASAP (for whatever reason) then prepare for the ADM. I’m not in a rush since I have a car now. I got the NE regional discount and x plan pricing. Total 3k off sticker and no ADM.

 

[Mach1E]

There is an old wall street saying "Bulls win Bears win Pigs never win" I see dealers in my area with 14 Mach e on their lot. How is there a scarcity if there are cars available? A car dealer once told me that 10% of the suckers make up 90% of the profit. Want to see the suckers look in the mirror. There will be a moment when more Mach e are available and supply outweighs demand, at that time these dealers are going to wish they had taken the sales when they could have

This ain’t Wall Street.

Here’s another saying for you:

Today’s high price will become tomorrow’s deal.

If inflation stays anywhere close to where it is, todays prices (even with ADM) will seem cheap in the future.

Just compare to another industry that has had high inflation and long times from order to delivery for many years: Boats.

And go look on any boat forum for posts from the last DECADE. Every week there are posts complaining about high prices and asking “when will prices go down?”

And in every year in the last 50 years…… new boat prices went up.

So for cars like the Mach E, when will prices (ADM) go down?

Whenever inflation ends and there ISN’T a waiting list.

And since almost every 2022 is already spoken for…. It may take years for the waiting list to go away.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

Have you actually seen the cars on the lot? The only reason I ask as it seems there are many people that will drive hundreds of miles to purchase a Mach? If they were just sitting there on the lot I would think they would go fast. Dealers even purchase from other dealers. I do think most dealers would know that near money is dear money and would not hold back on selling. There is a cost to having vehicles sit on the lot. Crazy though if they are just sitting there!

What’s forgotten in this is that dealer websites will auto populate with cars in production or enroute to that dealer. Those mannequins will stay on the website until taken down by the dealer. Odds are there aren’t dozens of Mach-es ready for the taking at any dealer.

Also, the most in demand versions are the premium AWD ER and the GT. Very few of those are sitting on a dealer’s lot. Those that do end up in inventory are sold almost immediately. It’s the select trim line that is most likely to be available, and there aren’t that many of those. Ford sold roughly 27,000 MMEs in North America last year, the numbers aren’t going to significantly higher in 2022. That leaves a lot more demand than availability. That leads to ADM, whether we like it or not.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

What’s forgotten in this is that dealer websites will auto populate with cars in production or enroute to that dealer. Those mannequins will stay on the website until taken down by the dealer. Odds are there aren’t dozens of Mach-es ready for the taking at any dealer.

Also, the mist in demand versions are the premium AWD ER and the GT. Very few of those are sitting on a dealer’s lot. Those that do end up in inventory are sold almost immediately. It’s the select trim line that is most likely to be available, and there aren’t BT far many of those. Ford sold roughly 27,000 MMEs in North America last year, the numbers aren’t going to significantly higher in 2022. That leaves a lot more demand than availability. That leads to ADM, whether we like it or not.

Supply and demand. Works both ways. When there were tons on the lot, we nickeled and dimed the dealers, and had them throw in floor mats and stuff. Now they have the upper hand. Just the way things work, don't have to like it, but its the way it is. When the situation gets better, remember the dealers that did you right when the could of screwed you over and give them your business, instead of going somewhere else to save $100 or 2.

 

[Ride_the_lightning]

I respect and love all of you. This forum is amazing, but if you willingly paid an ADM you are a sucker and I have a great oil I'd like to sell you that will fix all of your problems...

I respect you, but many people on here make good money and a $5,000 ADM is less than 1-2% of their annual gross income, amortized over 3-5 years. They are at the point in their life where time is worth more than money, in many different ways.

And yes, I always pay to skip the line at Disney world. Patience may be a virtue, but time is valuable, and I’m only getting older.

 

[voxel]

One Ford dealer called me out of the blue and asked if I had any car to sell. They are low on inventory. There's barely any cars listed on their site and when I visited them a month ago (to see a Cyber Orange GT in person) the lot was pretty empty. They are milking any sales they get.

Is Ford struggling to supply cars to dealers? I do see more Ford Escapes for sale but not much else.

 

[TheCount2]

Main reason for 2021 model is power liftgate and acoustic glass? Maybe not having to wait 6-9 months and that's $3,600 in gas cost if they must have a car now?

OR, just buy the 2021 now, then sell that when the 2022 comes in. I think a few people are doing that actually. Get double tax credits (assuming someone has the liability in 1 tax year).


To OP, I question whether those cars are honestly on the lot. Everything shipped is posted, even customer ordered cars so maybe that dealer just got a large shipment and people will be picking them up over the next week and after a bit, there will be 0 available.

Within 60 miles of me, I only see 5 Premiums.

I’m not sure you get double tax credits as only the buyer of a new vehicle gets the credit. Nobody who buys your used 2021 will get the credit and won’t pay you what you paid for it.

 

[AKgrampy]

What’s forgotten in this is that dealer websites will auto populate with cars in production or enroute to that dealer. Those mannequins will stay on the website until taken down by the dealer. Odds are there aren’t dozens of Mach-es ready for the taking at any dealer.

Also, the most in demand versions are the premium AWD ER and the GT. Very few of those are sitting on a dealer’s lot. Those that do end up in inventory are sold almost immediately. It’s the select trim line that is most likely to be available, and there aren’t that many of those. Ford sold roughly 27,000 MMEs in North America last year, the numbers aren’t going to significantly higher in 2022. That leaves a lot more demand than availability. That leads to ADM, whether we like it or not.

That is why I asked the specific question as the OP stated he sees dealers with 14 on their lots not that he looked on the web. Your comment was what I was going to point out if they had not seen them on the lot.

 

[Mach1E]

I’m not sure you get double tax credits as only the buyer of a new vehicle gets the credit. Nobody who buys your used 2021 will get the credit and won’t pay you what you paid for it.

He was suggesting that the other guy buys a 2021, then buys a 2022.

Two new purchases = $15,000 in tax credits if you have enough income.

 

[yngwenli]

He was suggesting that the other guy buys a 2021, then buys a 2022.

Two new purchases = $15,000 in tax credits if you have enough income.

This and wanted to add there are reports of people buying USED MME for near/over MSRP so yes, there ARE people out there paying near/over MSRP for used cars.

Look at practically any recently used Teslas. I think all/near all used versions are over MSRP since you don't have to wait and Tesla have less/little model year differences.


Maybe not you (to TheCount2) nor me will do this, but plenty of people have no issue with this since again, it's "only" $$. I know people who literally have so much $$ they don't know what to do with it and early multi-millionaire folks so yes, $$ is no object to some people.

 

[robbinbadams]

Have you actually seen the cars on the lot? The only reason I ask as it seems there are many people that will drive hundreds of miles to purchase a Mach? If they were just sitting there on the lot I would think they would go fast. Dealers even purchase from other dealers. I do think most dealers would know that near money is dear money and would not hold back on selling. There is a cost to having vehicles sit on the lot. Crazy though if they are just sitting there!

I have had dealers call me with what I wanted and said it would be 5000 to 7500 adm. I said I’ll give you msrp. And that was the end of it.

 

[npgeorgeuw]

I have had dealers call me with what I wanted and said it would be 5000 to 7500 adm. I said I’ll give you msrp. And that was the end of it.

Likewise, I showed up and said I'll give you this tiny bit over MSRP and will walk out with the car today. There are basically zero in our market and I have the color trim and 2021 features I wanted. For the next seven months I get to have the narcissistic joy to not be one of the millions of Teslas driving around here. I'm hardly a victim and hardly gullible in this case. I'm only gullible if there is a sudden glut of the make model trim and 2021 features I was looking for. With each passing month I will get a chance to reconcile that choice but as of right now, I'm thinking that's probably working towards inflation and scarcity.

Hardly a leftover though.

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