Power-Up 6.4.0

[Jimrpa]

Ford is a big company. Get a big server. Make all updates available upon demand via the interface in the car. Problem solved. Geeze...

Let me guess - you’re that Director in middle management who only wants to provide “good news” to your VP? ?

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[generaltso]

I think we've seen the clues in Forum posts from folks in the know that we are indeed looking at hardware differences in Job 1s causing them to cease getting 6.x updates. From what I've heard, the issue with Job 1s may even be peripheral to BC.

Well, we know that at least the IPC is different since enabling the power meter on it doesn't work for Job 1 cars.

 

[mpshizzle]

A. Small companies are much more nimble
B. EV-only small companies are starting with the expectation of OTA as a major part of operations
C. Ford hamstrung it's ability to be nimble at OTAs by outsourcing so many parts, each with their own software developers.
D. Ford has announced a strategy to be more nimble on software and to use more in-house parts and vertical integration in their Gen2 vehicles.

The reality is most consumers don't know any of this or care about it. No matter what's happening upstream they just care about user experience, and the bottom line is rivian and Tesla have both provided better software update user experiences

I will give them credit for improvement though.. software in the car, the Ford pass app, and OTA updates have come a long way since 2021. Still a LOT of work to be done though

 

[mpshizzle]

I think we've seen the clues in Forum posts from folks in the know that we are indeed looking at hardware differences in Job 1s causing them to cease getting 6.x updates. From what I've heard, the issue with Job 1s may even be peripheral to BC.

I expect those of us with Job 1s will catch up soon. ?

I sure hope so! I'll be pretty bummed if my free BC times out before I can even get the software

 

[VaporTrails]

Almost a century ago, Ford used to be highly vertically integrated - to the point of having their own rubber plantations and shipping lines. There is a balance between being vertically integrated and outsourcing some items to specialty organizations.

I think they will pivot back to internal parts for what they might consider core, and keep integration for others. Ford IS a big company, and global supply chains are a modern reality. The switch to the rear motor for the 2024 is an example of bringing back in house for what I am suggesting. You might see the “kick to open”, or subwoofer amp an integrated product. If it were me, I would OWN the APIM behind the touch screen, internal security GW, and drivetrain.

 

[ChasingCoral]

For example, Ford COULD simply send an email blast to Job 1 owners in EA saying “Hey; we’re temporarily pausing EA OTAs while we work out differences related to your vehicles. We’ll resume OTAs Soon™️” ?

Wouldn't that be amazing!

 

[CherryBomb]

Just added 6.4.0 to the poll.

Can you drop a drop a link to the poll into this thread?

 

[JimboSlice]

I've got a 2022 and just received the 6.1.0 update.

 

[ChasingCoral]

Can you drop a drop a link to the poll into this thread?

https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/power-up-6-x-poll.30878/

 

[EffDeeEmm]

Get a mongoose and sub to FDRS for a weekend and get all of your updates done. You're behind and ford dealers WILL NOT do this for you.

Not sure if there's a mongoose rental thread here, but I believe one of the 2 forums has one for the attic (CA)

I just contacted the sales rep I dealt with, whom I got along well with, and he said they'd be more than happy to get my MME in and get it up to date. Thankfully the dealership I dealt with was in a small town outside of Calgary, and they're very service-oriented.

 

[BMT1071]

I just contacted the sales rep I dealt with, whom I got along well with, and he said they'd be more than happy to get my MME in and get it up to date. Thankfully the dealership I dealt with was in a small town outside of Calgary, and they're very service-oriented.

I hope that works out for you. Sales reps in the States have been known to make promises without consulting the service department.

 

[Hammered]

I just contacted the sales rep I dealt with, whom I got along well with, and he said they'd be more than happy to get my MME in and get it up to date. Thankfully the dealership I dealt with was in a small town outside of Calgary, and they're very service-oriented.

That'd be a first if true. Vehicles needing a full update round will tie up someone for many hours if not the whole day. Ties up the computer system connected to the vehicle, a tech, a charger, etc...

Expect at best a very choosy update process. Once complete drop someone your VIN and they can pull the update history / status and verify for you that it was done. While it'd be a true first for a full update process free of charge, it wouldn't be the first for a failed promise.

 

[awp0]

I would agree. The only thing I would say is that I have absolutely no idea which folks are “in the know”. One of the frustrating things to me is that there are so many “black boxes”, where the only thing I have to go on is external behavior and perceived changes, then puzzle backwards, based on my own knowledge and experiences, to construct hypotheses as to what’s going on. For example, Ford COULD simply send an email blast to Job 1 owners in EA saying “Hey; we’re temporarily pausing EA OTAs while we work out differences related to your vehicles. We’ll resume OTAs Soon™️” ?

I'm not a Job 1 owner, but I 100% agree that many people would have more respect and confidence in Ford's OTA's if communication was better (and more honest) and the OTA release notes were the slightest bit comprehensible. It's a joke to see vague and sometimes duplicate descriptions of what was deployed, and then to hold you breath as you start driving and slowly discover what they didn't tell you in the release notes.

 

[Just Lurking]

That'd be a first if true. Vehicles needing a full update round will tie up someone for many hours if not the whole day. Ties up the computer system connected to the vehicle, a tech, a charger, etc...

Expect at best a very choosy update process. Once complete drop someone your VIN and they can pull the update history / status and verify for you that it was done. While it'd be a true first for a full update process free of charge, it wouldn't be the first for a failed promise.

I agree that no dealer wants to spend hours doing free updates for customer cars, but I also believe that any car that is stuck and not receiving OTA updates (that they should be receiving) absolutely should be receiving a dealer-provided software update to "unstick" the update process.

And that update should be considered a warranty procedure and the time reimbursed by Ford to the dealer.

 

[ChasingCoral]

Hmm. I got notification earlier today that an update had been applied. Figured it was this, but when I read the notes, it was 3.5.3

I've only had the car for a few weeks now, and there's still quite a bit I'm figuring out. Should I be chatting with my dealer about this?

Get a mongoose and sub to FDRS for a weekend and get all of your updates done. You're behind and ford dealers WILL NOT do this for you.

Not sure if there's a mongoose rental thread here, but I believe one of the 2 forums has one for the attic (CA)

I just contacted the sales rep I dealt with, whom I got along well with, and he said they'd be more than happy to get my MME in and get it up to date. Thankfully the dealership I dealt with was in a small town outside of Calgary, and they're very service-oriented.

That'd be a first if true. Vehicles needing a full update round will tie up someone for many hours if not the whole day. Ties up the computer system connected to the vehicle, a tech, a charger, etc...

Expect at best a very choosy update process. Once complete drop someone your VIN and they can pull the update history / status and verify for you that it was done. While it'd be a true first for a full update process free of charge, it wouldn't be the first for a failed promise.

This is a newly purchased car and it updated to 3.5.3. It sounds like the dealership didn't do their job as they should have applied all pending module updates before delivering the car.

In this case, the sales rep may be doing their due diligence after the fact and giving @EffDeeEmm the service they should have received in the first place.

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