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I'm not talking one-off leases. I'm talking fleet purchases. I'll clarify my earlier post.
Mostly that doesn't make any change for NL, i can't imagen that it's different now...
 
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Reposted from another thread:

I look forward to looking over the data in the tracking sheet:
https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/submitted-orders-tracking-list-and-stats-enter-yours.924/
Everyone please make sure to enter your build date information there! That will help us understand what is happening with build orders and why many of our build dates are so out of whack with the priority we perceived from our reservation order.

That said, let's keep some things in mind:
  • COVID-19 has messed with all of Ford's planning. They also had to move back production by a few months. Despite that, they still will start deliveries in 2020.
  • EU/UK cars: Remember, they had a grand plan for simultaneous deliveries to North American and the EU/UK. Now it looks like some big buyers (fleet purchases for leasing companies in the Netherlands for example) are getting priority and some EU cars are being made in 2020. It also looks like they are starting to interleave EU/UK orders into the build sequence rather than maximizing NA deliveries. Considering they had to finalize orders early, that makes sense.
  • Canadian cars: Many buyers have promised build dates. It looks like these are at the early end of production as well. Again, their system was different from the US and they had to pre-order from the start.
  • Models and order have changed. No, Ford has never officially said they were moving the First Editions later but did change the website to now show all non-GT models starting delivery in late 2020.
  • Ford has to make the line as efficient as possible. That means mixing up the models. ER vs SR, AWD vs RWD, glass roof vs solid roof (glass roofs make it easier to drop in parts from above, adding the glass late in the line.
  • Ford always said dealers would get demos for us to drive before are cars arrive. While that may not work for every dealer (especially Hawaii!) but generally I think FCTP will start arriving in December as Ford promised. They will probably arrive before customer cars.
  • I'm sure there is appeasement of big fleet buyers, early delivery for employee leases, and sweetheart deals within the organization. That happens in business. It's business after all.
  • So far it looks like Ford is scheduling the First Editions in this first run and making sure all existing orders are run early.
Yeah, the build order sucks for some of us while others feel amazingly blessed to get an early date (you damn well better! :)).

I'm frustrated to see reservation and order play essentially no role in scheduling within this build run and even more frustrated to have a first day reservation, first day order conversion, and mid-December build for a First Edition. However, keep in mind, it still looks like Ford is keeping First Editions and early reservations among the first delivered, just not the VERY FIRST.

Now, let's get to the bottom of this mess while we wait for delivery!
 

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@ChasingCoral you can make a new guesstimate as i got new information from my dealer.

They have around 20 Mach-E's in their system, all "Batch 1" cars - the first 2000 cars for NL.
As far as my contact could see and tell:
- cars got their VIN's assigned 1,5 week ago
- production week of 20-nov-2020
- delivery at dealer week of 20-feb-2021

He also thought that all Batch 1 Mach-E's (2000 cars for NL) would be build in the weeks before/in/after 20-november, then would be shipped on a boat at the same time to Europe.

So Europe first, USA second ;)
Who is the dealer you get this info from? Hope my MME is part of the “early “ deliveries
 

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All currently reserved CA Route 1s will be made up front along with the first batch of Premiums. They only account for 3% of orders so far, so it's best to do them all at once.
Well... looks like this assumption may need some adjustment as we did not receive an email that our Route 1 has been sheduled. Order date 7/7/2020 (had to change dealers). Had a fairly high reservation number which is probably why (kept changing our minds), but was hoping they would try to get them all out of the way early since the total number of orders did seem to be low. Maybe there are some addtional emails still to come?
 

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Who is the dealer you get this info from? Hope my MME is part of the “early “ deliveries
dealer with 3-4 locations around Rotterdam.
 
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Well... looks like this assumption may need some adjustment as we did not receive an email that our Route 1 has been sheduled. Order date 7/7/2020 (had to change dealers). Had a fairly high reservation number which is probably why (kept changing our minds), but was hoping they would try to get them all out of the way early since the total number of orders did seem to be low. Maybe there are some addtional emails still to come?
You may be right. That was just a guess after all. We’ll see as we hear about more scheduling.
 

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Ford Mustang Mach-E.

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Buyers of the Ford Mustang Mach-E electric are seeing hard production dates.

Several people who placed orders for the Ford Electric crossover are receiving notifications of production dates of December 7, 2020, according to posts on the Mustang Mach E Reddit forum and the Mach E Club. Other December dates were also cited.

In an email, a Ford spokesperson told me that “production date emails” went out on Thursday.

The Mustang Mach-E is one of the most anticipated new electric cars and has one of the best chances of stealing some thunder from Tesla’s popular Model Y. Both cars are classified as crossover SUVs, aka, a compact SUV.

Ford has previously stated that the 2021 Mustang Mach-E is slated to be available by late this year though volume availability isn’t expected until 2021.

Ford recently reduced prices on some versions of the 2021 Mustang Mach-E ranging between $1,000 for the cheapest trim, the Mach-E Select, and $3,000 for the Mach-E Premium.
 

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First Ford Mustang Mach-e Units are Headed to Dealers
Juliane Marques October 23, 2020 Electric CarElectric VehicleFordFord MustangFord Mustang Mach-EMach-EmustangMustang Mach-EShelby Mustang Mach-E
We are indeed beginning a quarter that will be frantic in terms of new electric car launches. And we are not talking about future renders or prototypes, but models that will begin to be available to the first customers. One of the imminent is the spectacular Ford Mustang Mach-e, which has already started to leave the factory in Cuautitlan, Mexico, and started its way to dealerships worldwide.
There are several photos of United States consumers who have immortalized different trucks full of Mach-e units on the way to North American dealers.

This will allow Ford to begin worldwide deliveries before the end of the year. Something that, on the one hand, will be good news for those who have placed an order, but will also have an essential economic component in Europe for a Ford that has seen its emission reduction targets as its objectives after having to stop production of the Kuga plug-in hybrid due to a problem with its batteries.

With its arrival, and that of rivals such as the Volkswagen ID.4, Skoda Enyaq, or the Tesla Model Y, the compact SUV market will experience an explosion in supply, quality, benefits, and the advertising aspect. Something that will benefit mainly consumers who will face more variety and more competition.
Mach-e will have a radical variant designed for the most demanding, called Mustang Mach-E GT, which will have all-wheel drive, 465 hp of power, and capable of accelerating 60mph in 3.7 seconds. Of course, a model that will not be part of the first distribution phase and will have to wait until the end of 2021 to see it on our roads.
 

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First Ford Mustang Mach-e Units are Headed to Dealers
Juliane Marques October 23, 2020 Electric CarElectric VehicleFordFord MustangFord Mustang Mach-EMach-EmustangMustang Mach-EShelby Mustang Mach-E
We are indeed beginning a quarter that will be frantic in terms of new electric car launches. And we are not talking about future renders or prototypes, but models that will begin to be available to the first customers. One of the imminent is the spectacular Ford Mustang Mach-e, which has already started to leave the factory in Cuautitlan, Mexico, and started its way to dealerships worldwide.
There are several photos of United States consumers who have immortalized different trucks full of Mach-e units on the way to North American dealers.

This will allow Ford to begin worldwide deliveries before the end of the year. Something that, on the one hand, will be good news for those who have placed an order, but will also have an essential economic component in Europe for a Ford that has seen its emission reduction targets as its objectives after having to stop production of the Kuga plug-in hybrid due to a problem with its batteries.

With its arrival, and that of rivals such as the Volkswagen ID.4, Skoda Enyaq, or the Tesla Model Y, the compact SUV market will experience an explosion in supply, quality, benefits, and the advertising aspect. Something that will benefit mainly consumers who will face more variety and more competition.
Mach-e will have a radical variant designed for the most demanding, called Mustang Mach-E GT, which will have all-wheel drive, 465 hp of power, and capable of accelerating 60mph in 3.7 seconds. Of course, a model that will not be part of the first distribution phase and will have to wait until the end of 2021 to see it on our roads.
So ...

Are customer cars leaving the factory before OKTB? Or are those still models for shows and the like as we've been led to believe?
 

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So ...

Are customer cars leaving the factory before OKTB? Or are those still models for shows and the like as we've been led to believe?
I think that's the road show cars we saw on the flatbeds last week.
 
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So ...

Are customer cars leaving the factory before OKTB? Or are those still models for shows and the like as we've been led to believe?
I think the authors don’t realize those are advertising vehicles, not customer cars.
 
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My guess as well. The Press Release though was a tad bit misleading in that regard without being dishonest. Part of their job, sort of. ;)
What press release? I’ve seen nothing on Ford Media’s website.
 
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The one that's passed off by a website as a news article and linked up above. ;)
They both look like media stories, not Ford press releases.
 



 









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