Slipping & Sliding in Snow

[tuminatr]

All weather tires are not that good in snow and ice. There is another grade of tires called All Conditions with a mountain snd snowflake symbol. These can be used year-round as opposed to Winter tires which must be removed for the summer. Michelin X-Climate and Goodyear weather ready are 2 examples. We had 10’ on the ground last winter and they worked like chmps.

Those are examples of all weather tires, you are thinking of all season that do not have the three peak mountain snowflake rating. The stock tires on the MME are either All season or summer tires. With one exception, the to be launched rally will come OEM with the All weather Michelin Cross Climate 2.

All weather, variable conditions, all conditions, are all marketing terms. Sorry that's clear as mud but that's the way it works.

Technically they are all season tires but manufacturers market them as all weather when they added the three peak mountain snowflake

Here are a few tested

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDisplay.jsp?ttid=321

And a few more

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDisplay.jsp?ttid=306

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[Hammered]

I've got REVO 3s on the F150 which perform better than a lot of 3 peak rated. Best to find actual testing being done on the same vehicle / conditions. Few are willing to do such tests but some of the larger tire retailers will.

 

[tuminatr]

I've got REVO 3s on the F150 which perform better than a lot of 3 peak rated. Best to find actual testing being done on the same vehicle / conditions. Few are willing to do such tests but some of the larger tire retailers will.

I doubt it, if it would have been able to pass the test Bridgestone would have put the rating on the sidewall.

If your not familiar there are regulations on the three peak rating. Some things like m&s are marketing terms and some are actual tests.

That being said it's a good all season tire.

 

[tfitzgex]

Not really relevant, but why do they use British spelling in Portland? Canadian influence?

I. Dunno. They are a Finnish company. But it does say tyre on the side. Maybe WE are the ones who are spelling it wrong??????

 

[Hammered]

I doubt it, if it would have been able to pass the test Bridgestone would have put the rating on the sidewall.

If your not familiar there are regulations on the three peak rating. Some things like m&s are marketing terms and some are actual tests.

That being said it's a good all season tire.

Go through their data yourself. Creating a tire to accel at a test isn't the same as what is achieved in real-world performance.

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDisplay.jsp?ttid=240

 

[tuminatr]

Go through their data yourself. Creating a tire to accel at a test isn't the same as what is achieved in real-world performance.

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDisplay.jsp?ttid=240

Makes me wonder why Bridgestone would not test and certify the tire for 3pmsf I don't have the answer but it's interesting. Also off-road on packed snow is not a condition we see much here in the USA and that could skew the result

One other section on TR not to avoid is customer feedback from people who bought the tire and drove on them. These are a real-world rating. I usually look to see if testing and feedback align if they don't like in the case of the Revo 3 it makes me wonder if the test is accurate to roads and driving conditions.

 

[Glen Boise]

Could this problem be a result of the higher torque available with EV's? I have had minor slip problems with accelerating in snowy patches. (I am using Engage and do not use one pedal.)

 

[dtbaker61]

The vehicle should use weather data and intelligently / encourage it to be turned off. 1pd is dangerous in slick conditions.

I would have a fit if the car turned off 1-p automatically. I find 1-p to be safer since I don't have to move my foot from throttle to brake.

I leave mine in unbridled 1-p all the time, all conditions. No problems if you have a steady foot.

 

[dtbaker61]

If you have snow, there is no better practice than to install true winter tires.

Vredestien Wintrac Pro... awesome snow and ice tire. I put a set on stock wheels which I swap on when it snows.

non-snow I am loving Conti dw06+ on Enkie TS-v wheels an inch wider than stock (and 6# lighter per wheel!)

 

[daath]

I don’t have a place to store a second set of tires.

The shop that changes my wheels store them for me

I thought that’s what the “L” selection was for ?

L is for going downhill. As the manual says ;P

Ok, what are the drawbacks to “all weather” tires versus “all season” tires? What you’ve said just sounds like “marketing-speak” (no offense intended).

There are videos demonstrating the difference. The gist is all season tyres require 60% of the summer tyre braking distance while winter tyres require only require 30%.

(EDIT: Might have misunderstood your question as I thought it was summer/all season/winter)

 

[Hammered]

I would have a fit if the car turned off 1-p automatically. I find 1-p to be safer since I don't have to move my foot from throttle to brake.

I leave mine in unbridled 1-p all the time, all conditions. No problems if you have a steady foot.

I too leave it in the same mode, the suggestion is more of a suggestion to a driver for education purposes / ease of doing it. Most EVs are completely clueless and need to be guided through most things.

 

[HuntingPudel]

Not really relevant, but why do they use British spelling in Portland? Canadian influence?

Foreign tyre manufacturer who is based where they spell it that way. Back in the '70s we bought some tires for the Cadillac called "Vogue Tyres." Made overseas in one of The Queen's countries. ??

 

[tuminatr]

Foreign tyre manufacturer who is based where they spell it that way. Back in the '70s we bought some tires for the Cadillac called "Vogue Tyres." Made overseas in one of The Queen's countries. ??

Fast forward to today Vogue is owned and manufactured by Chinese company. they look good on the right classic car but perform like they did in the early 90s.

 

[AllenXS]

Oh, this is helpful. I didn’t know the traction control was tuned to allow rear-end slide. That’s why it feels a bit like my Miata felt in the snow.

Yes, quite fun at times except out ice day here a couple of days ago. Still avoided a couple of near misses with walls as it slid further than expected. Guess I was over confident with my aging Michelin CC2’s.

Using opd and that was fine when backing off, problem was more pushing it down a bit much.

 

[timbop]

Ah....so if I'm in Unbridle and ease off the Go pedal and I begin to slow down (no brake pedal input), is that kinetic energy not returned to the battery?

OK, so I'm going to admit I was mistaken about unbridled and 1pd off. I tried it tonight, and it is clear that it still is doing regen but not as much as with 1pd on. My apologies for the incorrect info - I've never tried it before; I either drive unbridled with 1pd on for normal conditions or whisper/engage 1pd off for ice/snow conditions.

For the record we had zero measurable snow last year so tonight's the first time I drove on ice in 2 years

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