Supercharger Update

[milepost1]

Ok. But my issue is a lot of these Bolts are Uber and Lyft drivers. They don’t need to charge to 100% to do local pickups and drop offs. I think their mentality comes from a lack of knowledge. But I’d hope that they would do better as time goes on but it doesn’t seem that way. That one Uber driver that I see repeatedly on my semi monthly trips is always charging to 100%. Like my guy, have you not figured out that you don’t need to do that? Like you’re wasting your time and losing money by doing that. Sheesh!

Or maybe he doesn't have a ride, and would be sitting anyway. So why not charge to 100%? Or maybe he is not driving lyft or uber currently and needs to get home? Or could

Dirty little secret is Uber/Lyft drivers are becoming a major strain on DCFC, especially in major cities. People were even renting EVs to use for Uber, and Hertz actually endorsed this practice.

During the Chicago debacle a few months ago, people noticed all the chargers clogged by cars bearing both rideshare and rental insignia.

That is not what DCFC was intended for. These people are charger lice.

be his fault enough stations available? Or you deserve it more? And if a ioniq pulls in, hates that your mach e, slow a$$ charging is In the 350 spot?

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[milepost1]

Gonna have to disagree with you, here. DCFC was not sized or intended for commercial or routine use. In fact, manufacturers recommend against routine DCFC to preserve battery health.

Now you can argue that DCFC stations don’t expressly prohibit commercial / routine use, and that’s true, but you and I both know that was never the intention.

Wondering why "commercial" vehicles should not charge at DCFC? If I use my car to drive to differant locations for work is that commercial? Is lighting only for show? A salesman driving from client to client? Commercial? Is using it in construction commercial? What if I only DCFC when using my work truck for fun? StOP selling EVs unless you drive only for fun?

 

[dbsb3233]

It appears that they're testing the software judging by the pic in this post:
Mustang Mach e GT charging at California Tesla supercharger

Right on queue. I figured we'd start seeing reports of such sightings soon.

 

[Jiji]

Right on queue. I figured we'd start seeing reports of such sightings soon.

We will need the Tesla crew to complain mightily as we have no business being at a non-MagicDock SC for now. If only they would complain here and keep us updated.

 

[bbulkow]

Or, you could simply double or triple the price per kWh if you want to go past 90%. That’s an easier approach. Time is valuable for some people. Just not for Bolt drivers.

Chargepoint allows the station owner to ramp up the charge fee after a certain amount of time. My work chargers are $0 for the first 3 hours and $15 after (for an L2 charger, there's a different number for L3).

The other networks could work out a "congestion pricing". There's a lot of possible algorithms. If a station is 100% full regularly at a certain time, the first 30 minutes are the normal cost, then up from there. If you want to get the normal fee, you can, if there's no one waiting. Generally congestion pricing works pretty well at fixing this, americans have gotten used to it a bit

 

[Jiji]

The other networks could work out a "congestion pricing".

Or just copy Tesla’s current scheme, $60/hr past 90% SoC seems like a good deterren.

 

[GreaseMonkey]

Dirty little secret is Uber/Lyft drivers are becoming a major strain on DCFC, especially in major cities. People were even renting EVs to use for Uber, and Hertz actually endorsed this practice.

During the Chicago debacle a few months ago, people noticed all the chargers clogged by cars bearing both rideshare and rental insignia.

That is not what DCFC was intended for. These people are charger lice.

The scene at my whole foods every Sunday morning: me and the folts (fucking bolts).

 

[GreaseMonkey]

It would be easy to blame rideshare drivers for "clogging" up DCFCs, but DCFC were built for the sole purpose to charge one's EV as fast as possible agnostic of the occupation/purpose of the EV utilizing the infrastructure. What their occupation is has nothing to do with whether they deserve to use that "limited" infrastructure or not.

Kind of like, don't hate the player hate the game, cliche. It's the lack of infrastructure for the most part (and partial blame to the manufacturers for not implementing faster charging hardware...IMO anything under 150 peak charge rate should be criminal at this point). Outside of Tesla, for the most part, the DCFC is currently not up to par to support the current demand in many geographic areas in the US, and the rate of deployment is not keeping pace. That's the problem, IMO, not rideshare users or Bolt/Leaf users.

The only time I feel as if it is appropriate to get annoyed in terms of charging is if they are their beyond 100% and are idling. It would be like waiting in line at a gas station and being annoyed that the car at the pump didn't stop at 80% full. Granted it isn't an apples to apples example, as the fuel pump doesn't exponentially slow down pumping at 80% but they aren't breaking any rules/laws. What their reasons are for filling to 75%, 85%, or 100% aren't really my business.

If a car fills its tank and then doesn't move to allow others to use the infrastructure then yes they are technically an economic impediment ergo the business should charge them for impacting sales ala idle fees at stations.

What he’s referring to is 100% accurate. I don’t know your situation, but I charge dcfc exclusively and live smack dead in the middle of Chicago. On that day, I came back sucking wind and car went into turtle mode. All the bolts hogged the stations charging to 100%. My Mach-e was losing charge before my eyes(11, to 10, to 9% within minutes while parked). I had to shut the car down and wait in the cold almost a full hour until one left. This scene gets repeated everyday, minus the cold temps. It’s horrendous. Complete lack of consideration for other drivers.

 

[ChasingCoral]

A user on Reddit claims to have gotten a new update for the Tesla Superchargers:

Has anyone else gotten this or is it fake?

And poof! It’s gone now.

 

[Mirak]

The scene at my whole foods every Sunday morning: me and the folts (fucking bolts).

The bolts, amiright? Why is it always the bolts? I call them charger lice. Even when I was waiting in line (waiting for bolts to finish), two more drove up to nose around. Where do they all come from? They’re like the new Prius. Same demographic.

 

[ErBauer]

So, I am hoping to use a Tesla charger on a mini-vacation at the end of March. Am I deluded in thinking it might be an option? (Next closest charger to my hotel is about 30 minutes away.) Anyone taking bets on a March 23rd implementation?

 

[ErBauer]

Gonna have to disagree with you, here. DCFC was not sized or intended for commercial or routine use. In fact, manufacturers recommend against routine DCFC to preserve battery health.

Now you can argue that DCFC stations don’t expressly prohibit commercial / routine use, and that’s true, but you and I both know that was never the intention.

What is DCFC for other than for people that put a lot of miles on during a day (i.e. Lyft/Uber) or people on a long trip. If you are just a commuter with a reasonable commute, you will never use DCFC. Just charge at night at home. I can't really think of a use for DCFC aside from long trips or commercial.

 

[AhardFSU]

So, I am hoping to use a Tesla charger on a mini-vacation at the end of March. Am I deluded in thinking it might be an option? (Next closest charger to my hotel is about 30 minutes away.) Anyone taking bets on a March 23rd implementation?

You need to factor in Ford’s history of pushing out software updates. You should also factor in the logistics of sending out the adapters. Once you do those things you’ll have a good feel for your answer. I’m going to say you will not see an adapter from Ford by March 23. You probably won’t see the plug and charge update by March 23 either, but I’m only making a guess. Ford may surprise and deliver in a timely manner on the update.

 

[sean7512]

Upgraded to "very soon"

 

[AhardFSU]

Upgraded to "very soon"

What is up with this “very soon” stuff? I mean he already showed us the adapter. We’ve seen a pic of GT test charging from past weekend. If he doesn’t have more specifics don’t say anything. All he’s doing is making people even more annoyed with the vagueness.

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