Tesla Slashes Prices

[Mach1E]

You read Chinese? You know the translation is accurate?

Whatever you need to tell yourself to sleep buddy.

Tesla "recalls" = OTA software updates.
Everyone else = painful multi-hour trip to the stealership

Ford’s recall for the HVJB was an OTA update. ?‍

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[MacherAWD]

You read Chinese? You know the translation is accurate?

Whatever you need to tell yourself to sleep buddy.

Tesla "recalls" = OTA software updates.
Everyone else = painful multi-hour trip to the stealership

Continual mis-information. As stated its no longer Tesla vs "Everyone Else", my MME has taken over 20 OTAs last year, including a recall. There are modern EVs, Tesla, Ford, GM, Kia, Hyundai, VW, many more that are all on point with Tesla. They all have integrated navigation.

Yes Tesla was the first to start the OTA thing but now it is industry standard.

 

[theduke]

Continual mis-information. As stated its no longer Tesla vs "Everyone Else", my MME has taken over 20 OTAs last year, including a recall. There are modern EVs, Tesla, Ford, GM, Kia, Hyundai, VW, many more that are all on point with Tesla. They all have integrated navigation.

Yes Tesla was the first to start the OTA thing but now it is industry standard.

NOT mis-information. The OTA updates pushed to non-Teslas are confined to primarily nav/infotainment, charging, and a few non-critical systems. They still cannot push firmware updates to core components like motors, battery management system, etc. At least in the release notes I have not seen any of these devices updated. Historically, the reasons for this are 2 fold: 1) 3rd parties (Magna, etc.) generally make those components not the OEM and they control the firmware code, and 2) often those components are often on an isolated bus.

Since 2012, Teslas can updated every last piece of firmware on every ECU, computer component, BMS, motor, etc. The "competition" has yet to match that functionality. Are they making progress? Yes. Are they there? No.

EDIT - except Rivian and Lucid, I have confirmed that they will push firmware updates to the BMS and motors.

 

[MacherAWD]

NOT mis-information. The OTA updates pushed to non-Teslas are confined to primarily nav/infotainment, charging, and a few non-critical systems. They still cannot push firmware updates to core components like motors, battery management system, etc. At least in the release notes I have not seen any of these devices updated. Historically, the reasons for this are 2 fold: 1) 3rd parties (Magna, etc.) generally make those components not the OEM and they control the firmware code, and 2) often those components are often on an isolated bus.

Since 2012, Teslas can updated every last piece of firmware on every ECU, computer component, BMS, motor, etc. The "competition" has yet to match that functionality. Are they making progress? Yes. Are they there? No.

EDIT - except Rivian and Lucid, I have confirmed that they will push firmware updates to the BMS and motors.

So this is not true you admit.
Tesla "recalls" = OTA software updates.
Everyone else = painful multi-hour trip to the stealership

How about I make a mis-informed statement, "Ford delivers OTA recalls, everyone else cant". Again I got a recall via OTA. The MME can update somehting like 22 of 25 components via OTA. This isnt 2013 anymore, this is industry standard on modern EVs.

 

[MacherAWD]

Just a reminder you can edit your statement to be accurate. This is wrong, you know its wrong, you can choose to edit your mis-information.

esla "recalls" = OTA software updates.
Everyone else = painful multi-hour trip to the stealership

 

[theduke]

Just a reminder you can edit your statement to be accurate. This is wrong, you know its wrong, you can choose to edit your mis-information.

Thanks. I thought there was a time-limit to the edits.

 

[SWO]

I stumbled upon this diagram and it sums up what Bjorn’s 1000 km tests have shown.

Efficiency and charge speed together matter than one or the other.

https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a40929408/ev-charging-chart-rates/

How is it possible to average 75kw over 22-23 minutes in a Mach-E ER vehicle? Hell I think my SR did better than that.

ETA: I just read the article at the link and it says they averaged from 10-90% If so, that's a poor statistic. I assumed by the graph that they meant average over the period to add 100mi charge.

 

[theduke]

How is it possible to average 75kw over 22-23 minutes in a Mach-E ER vehicle? Hell I think my SR did better than that.

Bjorn uses a loop test, where he drives the same real roads. Some of those are at cold temp b/c they are in the mountains, some are warm temp down near sea level, etc. He includes all temp and weather data in his testing spreadsheet for people to be fully informed.

 

[MacherAWD]

Thanks. I thought there was a time-limit to the edits.

So now you changed the statement to be factually true but its a different argument. We were discussing how NO ONE can do a recall OTA, but you moved the goal post. So now to the casual reader you appear right.

This thread is the reason the world is going to sh$t, admit you were wrong, either intentional or uniformed and show it going forward. Maybe on a Tesla forum say "hey I learned something today, did you know Ford can also do x,y,z" Or keep hanging out on a Mach-E forum and keep getting called out on blatant lies until a moderator decides to ban you.

 

[theduke]

So now you changed the statement to be factually true but its a different argument. We were discussing how NO ONE can do a recall OTA, but you moved the goal post. So now to the casual reader you appear right.

This thread is the reason the world is going to sh$t, admit you were wrong, either intentional or uniformed and show it going forward. Maybe on a Tesla forum say "hey I learned something today, did you know Ford can also do x,y,z" Or keep hanging out on a Mach-E forum and keep getting called out on blatant lies until a moderator decides to ban you.

I was incorrect. The degree to which is the argument now, and you have made it emotional.

 

[MacherAWD]

I was incorrect. The degree to which is the argument now, and you have made it emotional.

There is no degree of wrongness, you were wrong. There are facts and lies. You lied, you were called out. Move on.

 

[theduke]

There is no degree of wrongness, you were wrong. There are facts and lies. You lied, you were called out. Move on.

Message me when ALL computers and components in the MachE can be software updated remotely. That comment STANDS, and you yourself were kind enough to even send numbers quantifying as such.

 

[SWO]

Bjorn uses a loop test, where he drives the same real roads. Some of those are at cold temp b/c they are in the mountains, some are warm temp down near sea level, etc. He includes all temp and weather data in his testing spreadsheet for people to be fully informed.

The graph makes no sense.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

The graph makes no sense.

What part of the graph confuses you? Seems to be pretty straight forward.

 

[SWO]

What part of the graph confuses you? Seems to be pretty straight forward.

https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/tesla-slashes-prices.25104/page-71#post-642234

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